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Smart ForTwo vs. 2010 Prius

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Stuart Sweet, Jul 7, 2008.

  1. rudeney

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    If that's the CDI, then something sounds wrong. If it's the 3.2L V6 gasoline engine, then that's not too bad at all.

    Remember, the same German engineers that designed your E320 put everything they learned into the Smart. I've seen how it's constructed and I was amazed. There is some crash video on The Internet showing the Smart being rammed into a concrete barrier at over 80mph. While the occupants would surely be hurt, the safety cage never deformed. I'm not sure there are many cars of any size that could beat that.

    My big safety concern the ability (or inability) of the roof to resist crushing. In some preliminary test, Toyota/Lexus has not done very well.

    Carbon fiber is great, but the problem is if it ever gets damaged - even just a small nick - the whole piece has to be replaced. Talk to the guys who drive MBZ SLR's about having to replace the entire carbon fiber chassis after bottoming-out on a speed bump.
     
  2. hdtvfan0001

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    Yup - the V6...impressed always too....I guess it's an "economy car". :D
    Smart minds (pun intended).
    True. Light weight and strong, but there is a risk that once there is a problem, its not a small one - for that reason...using it in combination in critical areas seems to be an approach some are considering more these days.
     
  3. houskamp

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    Leadfoot:p
    I get 33 out of wife's Bonniville with 3.8 running 75-80 and 27.5 out of my oddessy van at same speed :D
     
  4. hdtvfan0001

    hdtvfan0001 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah....but I'm going along in style....:D
     
  5. houskamp

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

    RIIIIIIGHT

    If it was a 5xx maybe, but you bought the cheap one :lol:
     
  6. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    The E-Class does outwardly appear to be from the House of Honda.
     
  7. hdtvfan0001

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    :rolleyes:

    Not even close....inside...outside...or under the hood.

    Those who own one know these things. :D
     
  8. dodge boy

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    Exactly why I didn't rush out for an aftermarket hood for my stratus or talon....
     
  9. Supramom2000

    Supramom2000 In Loving Memory of Onyx-2/23/09

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    Totally off topic, but Dodge Boy - I thought you might be interested in the fact that my husband just bought a Dodge Dart for his new project. I forget the exact year, but it is around 1967. He just painted our daughter's bed Panther Pink, so I'm hoping he'll do the same for the car!

    This goes along with our 1968 Ford Firetruck, 1967 Mustang fastback, and our 1980 GMC truck. Good thing he has a monster shop!!
     
  10. harsh

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    Those who aren't vested probably have a better chance of objectivity.

    Take off the respective grill ornaments and see how much harder it is to tell the difference. Aside from the broader smile on the driver, the rest is remarkably similar to pre-existing Honda/Accura styling cues. Except for the location of the wheel well "power bulge" and grillwork, the E-class coupe is a remarkable homage the Acura TL.

    http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/#/explorePhotosVideos/?vmf=E350C&bs=CPE&vc=E&yr=2010

    http://www.acura.com/PhotoGallery.aspx?model=TL&modelYear=2009&context=photos-videos#/image10
     
  11. harsh

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    And a wife that understands what it is all about. :D
     
  12. hdtvfan0001

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    ...except truth be told....the E has been around many more decades with those kinds of designs....

    Case in point...the Genesis from Hyundai...virtually a copy of the S-Class grill.
     
  13. Shades228

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    The biggest issue I have with these new cars is that you're removing too much HP to achieve MPG. There have been times where I have needed to speed up quickly to avoid something. In these cars rated for 50-60 MPH and you're on a highway you're already there. If something happens you have less options to react.

    The main thing is most new cars, excluding sports cars or their variant model such as SSI, will get really good gas mileage if driven properly. The most gas is used from a rolling top to cruise speed. Most people want to get to the cruise speed in about 10 seconds no matter what the speed is. It's been proven over and over that driving properly will do more then buying a fuel saving car for the economic savings and the environment issues. Right now I don't think the technology justifies the increased cost. If it did you would see hybrid semi's start popping up all over.
     
  14. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

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    Shades, I hear your complaint. However I'm here to tell you that the Prius is faster than any car I've owned in the last 15 years. Yes I tend to go with smaller engines but it has more than enough power to get out of its own way.

    I'm planning on doing a full review once I've had it a month, but here's a preview. The Prius uses a drive-by-wire system that eliminates the direct connection between pedal and engine. In "ECO" mode, the driver's input is deliberately slowed down unless he pushes really quickly or pushes down more than halfway. So in normal driving it will seem slower because your pedal input is being moderated. However, (again, I'm telling you from experience) when you need that power it's there instantly. In "PWR" mode the pedal is a lot more responsive and it's up to you to drive responsibly.

    Power comes on fast in the Prius because without a traditional transmission it doesn't have to downshift first. It's just there.
     
  15. Matt9876

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    I can only speak first hand about a few different car manufacturing companies but the small engines from Toyota and Honda rock.


    Just got a Scion xB "Toyota product" I never will drive mine past 80-85 MPH but on the xB forum some dude has repeatedly accelerated his up past 130 MPH:eek2:

    It also has enough power to burn rubber if I wish.
     
  16. rudeney

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    Yes, most definitely! It's a long story, but I did some contract QA work for MBZ which included a stint as a dealership liason. I got to spend about four months in sales and it was actually a lot of fun. What I foudn odd was the people who would come in expecting us to compete on price with Japanese cars. These people just saw them as looking similar with some of MBZ's technology having "trickled down" to these Japanese models (and don't get me started on how Lexus steals everything from Germany and tries to make it look they are innovating).

    The only way I could have gotten them to understand would have gotten me fired and likely arrested for breaking half a dozen traffic laws. Of course people don't normally drive like that, but you just can't understand the engineering that goes into a machine until you push it to its limits.
     
  17. rudeney

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    CVT's are great. My wife once had an Audi with a CVT and it was a blast - 0-60mph in less than 6 seconds. She now has a Murano with a CVT and it has quite a bit of power for such a large, bulky vehicle. Of course the electric motor on the Prius helps a lot, too. Electric motors have no torque lag like internal combustion engines; they provide full torque the moment the first electron excites the coil. That's one reason the Tesla is so fast. Of course constantly enjoying all that torque drains the batteries. ,Since the Prius recharges itself, that's no worry, so feel free to have some fun!
     
  18. rudeney

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    I'm not afraid of speed and have driven 180mph on a closed track in a car designed for it, but I would never do that in a FWD car, even on a closed track. They are just too unstable at those speeds.
     
  19. hdtvfan0001

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    Yes indeed.

    Benz's and BMW's are designed to drive the Autobahn in Europe at 120+ MPH all the time.

    Honda's are designed to drive U.S. highways at 70 MPH.

    One look under the hood of each exposes this pretty quickly.

    I've had my E320 up to 125 MPH and the RPM rate was barely 5K.
     
  20. rudeney

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    One thing I have noticed in the "under the hood" differences are in simple things like fasteners. For example, the bolts holding the brake calipers onto the steering knuckle of my daughter's Honda Accord are smaller than the bolts that held the dust guard behind the brakes on my Mercedes-Benz. The rear brake discs on my BMW are larger than the front discs on my wife's Murano (that outweighs it by over 1,000lbs).

    I know most people don't work on cars much anymore, but as one who does, I can tell you that the Germans build their cars to last. It's evident in the way they design things for maintenance. There are so many things on Japanese cars that are just so much trouble to do, it sort of makes them "disposable".

    Mind you, I'm not knocking Japanese cars. They are made very well for their purpose as transportation appliances. For people who are truly passionate about their cars, there's nothing like the drive of a fine German automobile. It's sort of like "cable" vs. "DirecTV" ;)
     

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