And called Directv to check the RID number... I was told that they couldn't until the box was connected, and only later found out on this forum AFTER I bought the boxes already, to ask for the Access Card Department... So now I have 1 HR21 and 2 D12's sitting in my laundry room, with no access cards, and no way to get them activated because they're in collection... directv said that should the collections clear, I can buy new cards, and use them. These were going to be a supplement to my H23 and have the H21 replace one of the D12s for the bedroom. I got a great deal on the 3 boxes, but now I don't know what to do with them... I tried placing an ad with a disclaimer spelling out what happened, and to basically have someone buy them for parts... but nothing yet. The orginal seller won't return my calls either... go figure... Any ideas on what I can do with my shiny collection of directv receivers?