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(Soon to be) New Customer looking for "ideal" initial install

Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by Chappy316, Jan 16, 2012.

  1. Chappy316

    Chappy316 Cool Member

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    After doing some lurking and reading here I have decided it is time to sign up for a DirecTV account. I have a few concerns first; I don't want to have to put pictures of my house in the shame thread, nor do I want to have any issues getting the receivers I choose.

    Initial plans are:
    HR34 (Family Room)
    HD receiver (H25? Kitchen)
    HD receiver (H25? Master Bedroom)
    HD receiver (H25? Guest Bedroom)
    SD receiver (Garage)
    SD receiver (Office or Bathroom, undecided)
    (Not sure of the model numbers on the SD receivers, sorry.)

    That was what I came up with through their little online setup late last week and I have been debating ever since. Only change would possibly be a second DVR in place of the HD receiver for the Master Bedroom but it wouldn't be an HR34. Their site limits you to 6 receivers which I don't think should be an issue. May only go with 5 and forgo one of the last SD receivers depending on cost differences.

    My understanding is that currently, new installs get the SWiM system which can feed up to 8 tuners from one piece of RG6. I, obviously, have more then 8 tuners selected which I assume DirecTV will compensate for...? Although, thinking about this, SD receivers don't require SWiM, do they? (Zip code is 44870 if that helps. From what I found my market is not MPEG-4 only. Correct? My friends that have DirecTV here in town get Cleveland locals.)

    My questions at this point are;

    1) Is there any way I can select the receivers I want, other then the obvious HR34? My other HDTVs are wall mounted and an H25 would be optimal.

    2) Is it best (value-wise) to go directly through DirecTV or through a 3rd party client like Sam's Club or Menards, both of which I frequent? I can use the referral discount going directly through them correct? That constitutes $100 off my first billing cycle plus that of a friend?

    3) How do I prevent myself from getting a hack installer? I have conduit out to my shed and want to put the dish on the back of that, great LOS per dishpointer.com so I think that is ideal. Would there be an extra charge for this considering I have already got the conduit in the ground?

    4) Multi-Room Video seems very interesting to me but isn't something I have done a whole lot of research on. What do I need to make that work in every room and what kind of charges am I looking at for that usually?

    Any and all help is GREATLY appreciated.

    Thanks!
     
  2. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    I'd work up a budget to see what you want as the monthly hardware fees are going to represent a goodly percentage of your bill. For six boxes, the lease fees are going to be $30/month and then there's the Advanced Receiver Service combo (HD/DVR/WHDS) fee of $20/month.

    I'm guessing your looking at an up front of around $300 depending on whether or not this is considered a special installation.
     
  3. jdspencer

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    With that many HD Receivers, you will want MRV so that they can access the DVR. Depending on the receiver, you may need to have DECA modules added. For this reason, I'd go through DirecTV for the installation.

    The limitation is in the number of tuners connected to the SWM (which is what you'll have with the HR34). That limitation i 8 and the hR34 counts as 5.
     
  4. Chappy316

    Chappy316 Cool Member

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    I would like to avoid having to drag CAT5 or CAT6 to each of my "connected" receivers so ideally they would just be hooked up through RG6 and CCK or WCCK, correct?

    Are the new SD receivers SWiM compatible or is that reserved for HD and HD DVR boxes right now?
     
  5. jdspencer

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    I believe the R16 is SWM capable. Not sure if it is MRV though.
     
  6. trh

    trh This Space for Sale

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    This thread lists the STBs and their SWiM/MRV compatibility.
     
  7. dpeters11

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    SWM, yes. The only SD box that's MRV compatible is the R22, but two other HD boxes, including one DVR has to be on the account first.
     
  8. Chappy316

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    Thanks trh!

    So the only way to get MRV with an SD box is for it to be a DVR?

    Is there any way to guarantee which model boxes I receive? As I stated, H25s would be optimal for the HD boxes as they are wall mount TVs...
     
  9. The Merg

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    Your current theoretical setup is at 10 tuners, so DirecTV would automatically set you up with a SWM16. If you remove a SD receiver and change one of the HD receivers to a DVR, you would still be at 10 tuners.

    With regard to the install, the conduit should be fine. Do you already have a RG6 cable in there? If so, it shouldn't be an issue. With MRV, all communication between the receivers is via the coax, so there is no need to worry about having Ethernet cables connected to the receivers from your router. If you use a Cinema Connection Kit, that will be the one device that is connected to your router, either wirlelessly or hard wired..

    Any SD receiver you have will not be able to participate in MRV. There is one SD receiver that is SWM compatible, the D12, and the R16 is a SD-DVR that is SWM compatible. Neither of those will work with MRV. The R22 is a discontinued SD-DVR that acts as an HD-DVR as long as you have HD service on your account. You will not get one of those with a new install.

    - Merg
     
  10. Chappy316

    Chappy316 Cool Member

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    The new install SD receivers are SWM compatible?

    There is no RG6 in the conduit yet. Won't I need four lines in from the dish with a SMW16 system instead of the usual one?

    Are there any differences between the CCK and WCCK other then the wireless features? I thought I saw somewhere that the WCCK had better features for some strange reason. Should that be something I let the installer do or something I request to do myself?
     
  11. WestDC

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    Yes, 4 lines are needed for a SWIM 16 as well as a Legacy LNB on the dish.

    Wireless Is the only difference in the CCK & WCCK

    Enjoy your Service.
     
  12. The Merg

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    The wireless version also allows it to be placed in-line as opposed to needing its own coax. That means one less coax run/splitter is needed.

    - Merg
     
  13. The Merg

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    If you are getting a SWM install and also need SD receivers, the D12 is SWM compatible and will be used. It just cannot be used for MRV.

    - Merg
     
  14. Chappy316

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    That's my biggest concern; the equipment I would get on install.

    Is there any way to guarantee receivers and or additional equipment?
     
  15. WestDC

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    Being a "new Customer" It will be a SWIM install - being your over 10 tuners It will require a SWIM 16 and that will should get you all "NEWEST" Receivers on the installer's truck.

    Meaning HR24 +H25 +HR34 + D12 If the installer has the equipment on his truck (model Number's) then you will get those models if not the any other Hr 2 or H2 will work. (MAY NOT) be the model you want but will do everything the 24's can do.
     
  16. Chappy316

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    Thanks for all the help guys. Just gotta finish a few things up and should be giving them a call here soon.

    (Gotta decide if I should go through them or an affiliate [read bonus/reward] program still though...)
     
  17. boatlover

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    WestDC is correct you will get the newest equipment. I had generally had what you want installed last week.

    SWM + HR-34+ HR-24+HR-24+ H25+H25+ D12+ CCK.

    I wanted H-24's but installer said they were not allowed with SWM. He had 1 on the truck but it as reserved for upgrades for customers with non swm systems. He even talked to his supervisor who said no.
     
  18. HoTat2

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    Just to note, they could mount the SWiM-16 at the dish (since it is weatherproof) or inside the shed. So you would only have to run two coaxes through the conduit for less trouble.
     
  19. HoTat2

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    Wow, that's weird considering the H24, in fact the entire 24 series altogether, was mainly designed for SWiM installs. The only thing I can think of for this policy is that their stock must be completely out of older HD receiver models for this purpose like the H21 and H23s (Assuming the H20s have been largely retired now).
     
  20. boatlover

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    Probably because the H25 is swm only and the H24 will work with non swm
     

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