with all the talk about the h21 and its lack of atsc tuner I decided to go to ebay to try my luck. apparently electronic consession connection is selling h20 boxes aquired from best buy. I won my first auction for just 15.50 but I am thinking that the word has spread because I lost 4 auctions in a row afterwards for as little as 31 bucks. finally I decided that in my last auction 39 bucks was fair so I paid less than 55 bucks for 2 boxes and add 19 bucks for shipping for each. a good deal I think so I am giving the heads up. I dont believe that when I activate these that they should be considered leases but we will see. in the past receivers I bought on ebay were NOT considered or treated as leases by directv. here is the link for a current auction: http://stores.ebay.com/Electronic-Concession-Connection I am not affiliated in any way with this company. just trying to contribute. I apologize if its against forum rules in advance.