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Sports Channels/Networks not offered by DirecTV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by joshadam84, Feb 9, 2013.

  1. Apr 7, 2013 #121 of 170
    tonyd79

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    James, you raise some good points. And way back, some RSNs were a la carte (or what were called "subscription" stations). The first rsn in Baltimore was called Super TV. It was subscription and was broadcast over the air. A crappy open independent during the day; a subscription only scrambled station showing Oriole games at night. It failed.

    Its successor, Home Team Sports started out as a premium. Subscription only on cable systems and even went as far as only doing commercials only at the start if each inning. In the middle of the inning, they did reports by a field guy, etc. While HTS did not fail per se, their model did. They went fully commercial and on basic cable. They were eventually bought by Comcast.

    So, the a la carte model has been tried with local sports. There were others. They all went to today's standard model. And no new one has tried anything new in years.

    But you are right in that the problem is not really espn an that they would be so pervasive that they would not really be a la carte but the locals. Everyone thinks they are espn. Or they think they are the Yankees and they should get Yankee money and have a channel almost dedicated to them.

    Heck, even the PAC 12 thinks they are bigger than the Big Ten when in every financially measurable way, they are not.
     
  2. Apr 7, 2013 #122 of 170
    James Long

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    "Stuff that few people want" and sports channels are not mutually exclusive groups. :)

    As for the non-sports channels they would work out the same as the ESPN vs RSN example I posted. The popular channels that "everyone" would want would do better but the unpopular channels would be in trouble.

    Perhaps you are the one rare person in the US that never watches content on an unpopular channel ... but I'm sure we could find an example of some channel or show that you would need to find an alternative method of watching (PPV on the Internet or DVD sets) instead of just tuning to the "less popular channel" via DirecTV. That is, if you knew that show existed without it being on a channel you have in your subscription ... or if the show existed at all without a guarantee of a market that would pay for it.

    The broadcast channels have "carry one/carry all" on their side ... DirecTV cannot sell you your local ABC separate from your local NBC. DirecTV cannot sell you the big networks separate from the must carries.

    Getting a decent rate and good tier placement keeps channels alive. Anything less and there will be higher rates and less to watch.
     
  3. Apr 7, 2013 #123 of 170
    donalddickerson2005

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    I live in Atlanta and if I could buy fsmw for 5 dollars a month alacart I would however I now have to buy nhlci and mlbei for my blues and cardinals. Then you would see what teams have a fan base.
     
  4. Apr 7, 2013 #124 of 170
    JoeTheDragon

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    other UHF pay channels failed due to hacks of the system and cable tv being installed.

    Some stuff moved over to cable now why can't RSN's be a $2-$4 add on?? or do cable system not want people taking limned basic and or family and adding there RSN.


    At least we need some kind of theme pack system.

    DIRECTV for hotels offers an ESPN Package and ESPN is not part of IN-ROOM CHOICE™ that has 100+ channels and costs less per room then ESPN costs pre room.
     
  5. Apr 7, 2013 #125 of 170
    tonyd79

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    Slowly, that may happen for the less mainstream sports channels. But it won't be a la carte as much as big sports packs.

    And yet, I have never seen a hotel room without espn. Never. Ever.


    Edit: Fixed logic and syntax and meaning. Thanks, trainman.
     
  6. Apr 7, 2013 #126 of 170
    KyL416

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    I doubt they would be that low, back before YES won the lawsuit to be on expanded basic cable in 2003, on Long Island we had to pay $9.99 EACH for MSG and Fox Sports New York on Cablevision, who owned the network. (And that was with the revenue they got from every other cable system in the tri-state area who had the channels on expanded basic since the 90s)
     
  7. Apr 8, 2013 #127 of 170
    trainman

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    I assume you made a typo here and you meant you've never seen a hotel room without ESPN, right? Unless we've been staying in some very different hotels.
     
  8. Apr 8, 2013 #128 of 170
    tjguitar

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    Almost every hotel I've stayed at has ESPN. Many do not have ESPN2. Even less have the local RSN.
     
  9. Apr 8, 2013 #129 of 170
    Gloria_Chavez

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    Turner sees what ESPN is doing, and says, I want some of that.

    And so it continues. Non-sports PayTv subscribers continue to subsidize Sports Fanatics.

    When will this end?

    No se.

    Far too many Non-Sports subscribers complain, but, in the end, they would rather eat out less or skimp on food rather than disconnect their PayTv package.



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  10. Apr 8, 2013 #130 of 170
    tonyd79

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    Fixed it. Thanks.
     
  11. Apr 8, 2013 #131 of 170
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    Every pay TV customer pays to subsidize the viewing habits of every other pay TV customer. Welcome to 1980...we've been here for a while now.
     
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    It will "continue."

    The best an individual can do for himself, if no longer wanting "to subsidize Sports Fanatics," is cancel subscribing to cable-television programming and stick to locals.
     
  14. Apr 8, 2013 #134 of 170
    Laxguy

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    Interesting! Some inaccuracies around Pac12, didn't check a lot further.

    Edit- On another look, it may be fairly accurate after all. I misread a couple of boxes. Interested to hear what others think.
     
  15. Apr 9, 2013 #135 of 170
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    I think what we may see some time soon is more themed ports packs beign formed, and all the sports channels being pulled out of the standard Choice, Choice Extra etc. packages.

    Something like Sports Pack 1, that includes the major channels like ESPN channels, MLB, NFL, NHL, Tennis, Golf for probably around $20-25/month. Then a Sports Pack 2 with NBC Sports, Fox Sports, Universal Sports, CBS Sports, Outdoors channel, Sportsman channel, etc for like $10. Then a College Sports pack with Fox College Sports, ESPNU, Big10, PAC 12, etc for $10. Then finally a regional sports pack with all the RSNs for $10.

    This way the sports fans are still somewhat subsidizing each others favorite channels/sports, but the non-sports fans no longer have to. Maybe to get these sports packages you only have to sign up for a low package like Entertainment or Select (or whatever the small non-advertised plans are) so the sports fans don't have to subsidize a bunch of channels that they don't watch either. But it doesn't completely go to an ala-carte system which could (and I think would) end up screwing everyone.

    I think this is bound to happen because the costs of these sports channels are just increasing at a rate way faster than all the other channels, and it is making many people upset about their rising costs. Some of those people are dropping pay TV altogether because of it, and more and more people are doing that every year. Doing something like this could help convince more non-sports people and sports people alike to keep their service and maybe just change up the channels they pay for.
     
  16. Apr 9, 2013 #136 of 170
    TJNash

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    ESPN will never let that happen.
     
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    Beerstalker

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    I think they will have to eventually. Otherwise I think one of the companies will eventually try dropping them completely and see if they can attract enough customers that don't need it and would appreciate the cost savings, compared to the number they lose by dropping it (my guess would be Dish Network).
     
  18. Apr 9, 2013 #138 of 170
    TJNash

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    Remember, you aren't talking about dropping ESPN like it exists in some vacuum, you are talking about dropping what ESPN shows: the NFL, NBA, MLB, College Football and Basketball, World Cup, NASCAR......

    You don't want to be the only provider without ESPN. Even Dish would know better than to try that.
     
  19. Apr 9, 2013 #139 of 170
    tjguitar

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    Not only that but ESPN is packaged with ABC Family, disney channel etc, and there are people out there who are obsessed with those channels too.
     
  20. Apr 9, 2013 #140 of 170
    tonyd79

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    Is there any hard evidence that that bundle is the case? There were all those fears that Longhorn would be shoved down systems throats; it didn't happen.
     

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