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Step-by-Step Router/Bridge/HR2x Network Configuration Doc

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Tips and Resources' started by Spanky_Partain, Sep 17, 2007.

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  1. Nov 1, 2007 #101 of 456
    jonpfl

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    Can I buy a WRT54GS router instead? Would that give me better speed?

    I already have a wired router in the computer room so I assume I could connect the WRT54GS to one of the ports on the wired router, right? Or is that something that is not a good idea? Should I get rid of the wired router and replace it? I am trying to go with the easiest solution w/o spending hours getting everything set up (I actually have two wired routers since the first one is for Vonage)

    I noticed that the WET200 is not sold at BB or CC. Is there something else I could purchase that would give me the same functionality?

    Thx
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  2. Nov 1, 2007 #102 of 456
    Spanky_Partain

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    The speed is moot. The DOD is dependent on the speed provided by the ISP which is not anywhere close to 54Mbps.

    Replace the wired router with the new WRT54GS or WRT54G whichever you choose. Hooking it up as an uplink to another router means more configuration than you may not want to do. Your getting in to a field of a little expertise. Keep it simple. Find a ethernet bridge device to use for the HR20. That inculdes a wireless gaming adapter. You can find those at BB or CC.
     
  3. Nov 1, 2007 #103 of 456
    jonpfl

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    I assume I should buy the Linksys Wet200 for future expansion, huh? I can use that to connect to the HR20 as well as any other devices in the future (ie Xbox 360)

    I will purchase a WRT54GS on the way home from work and replace the wired router and wait until I hear back in regards to Wet200

    Thx for all your help
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  4. Nov 1, 2007 #104 of 456
    Spanky_Partain

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    That is what I would do, get a WET 200. http://www.buy.com/prod/cisco-links...ridge-wi-fi-ieee-802/q/loc/101/205088169.html
     
  5. Nov 2, 2007 #105 of 456
    newsposter

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    When you figure out what you are getting I'd appreciate you posting your results here as i have the same unit. I new to networking, just have laptops hooked up. And i guess we have options, I just am unsure of the need for me to get a bridge vs a gaming setup (assuming I"m reading all this right)
     
  6. Nov 2, 2007 #106 of 456
    msm96wolf

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    I have a PC that is hooked up via wireless, is it possible to run the ethernet port from the PC to the HR20 and connect to that way? Just seems very convient since the are 6 feet from each other.
     
  7. Nov 2, 2007 #107 of 456
    Spanky_Partain

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    Yes you can. Look at post number 1 in the section titled "Hard Wired using a Laptop to Gain Internet Access" then select the OS you are running under that.
     
  8. Nov 2, 2007 #108 of 456
    Spanky_Partain

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    Post number #1 in this thread one should pretty much answer all your questions. If not, please post them and they will get answered.
     
  9. Nov 2, 2007 #109 of 456
    msm96wolf

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    I am trying to connect through my PC

    When I bridge I everything comes up OK but the Internet Connection (ERROR 12)

    When I bridge, I can no longer connect to the internet via the computer. When I take the wireless off the bridge, my PC can connect to the internet.

    I figure I am missing a simple step somewhere.
     
  10. Nov 3, 2007 #110 of 456
    Spanky_Partain

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    Try going to this thread and asking the author your question. He may be able to help. I have never tried the bridging so I am not familiar with the issue you are having.

    http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=1229901#post1229901
     
  11. Nov 3, 2007 #111 of 456
    politzer

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    OK - now I've gotten a network connection after I installed the WNA, then I got to the DoD home page on the HR20, and channels 1000+, and I even got to the point where I could order a test download. But now I'm not getting an internet connection, even though my connection to the Internet is fine on other machines. When I do a network test it shows good on the network but no internet.

    Any suggestions? Is this a throughput issue?
     
  12. Nov 4, 2007 #112 of 456
    Spoffo

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    I just got one of my HR20s networked using a Linksys WET54G wireless bridge, but the process was much more painful than it should have been, mainly because . . . a) Linksys seems utterly oblivious to the Macintosh user community and . . . b) a lot of the "help" here or in other forums is overloaded with unnecessary networking jargon and/or seems geared to solving exotic problems, not the basics.

    Lots of people here have reported that using a WET54G to connect an HR20 was as simple as could be, but that's because they are Windows users. The product ships with a CD that has a neat little set-up program, but only for Windows. There's almost nothing in the box or on the CD for Mac users. Mac users have to configure the bridge manually. So here's the "for dummies" version of how to do it.

    This all assumes that your existing network is based on a Linksys router or some other brand that uses the 192.168.1.1 address convention. (i.e. you can access the control panels for the router by entering http://192.168.1.1 into your browser.) If your router uses some other address convention, you'll have to make some adjustments.

    Step 1 - Using a computer on your existing network (wireless or wired - doesn't matter) enter http://192.168.1.1 in your browser's address line and hit return. This will bring up a dialog box asking for user name and password. This is NOT the same as the password to get on the wireless network (unless you've gone out of the way to set your router that way.) This is just the password to get at the router control panels, and it's probably still set on the Linksys defaults, which are user name [blank] Password "admin".

    Step 2 - You're now looking at the "setup/basic setup" page of the Linksys control panel. The very top setting should say "automatic configuration - DHCP" If it says something else, you're some kind of advanced user and don't need this.

    Step 3 - In the first menu row, click "Wireless." This will bring up the "basic wireless settings" page. All you want here is to be sure you have the name of your wireless network (aka the SSID.) This is either the default "Linksys" or something you've put in there. Whatever it is, write it down.

    Step 4 - Now in the second menu row, click "Wireless Security." This brings up a small page with just 4 items. Again you're not here to make any changes, you're just checking to be sure you have all the correct settings information. The first item "security mode" probably reads either "disabled" or "WPA Personal." Either one of these will work just fine, though I certainly recommend setting it for WPA Personal, which is totally simple, but has enough security to keep other people off your network. (Important gotcha: WPA Personal is also called "WPA Pre-shared key" - - which no one tells you.) If it's set for WPA. the other windows probably read
    • WPA Algorithms: TKIP
    • Password: [Your Password]
    • Group Key renewal: 3600
    If these are set for something else, don't change them, just write them down.

    One other thing, don't even think of using WEP security if you're using a Mac. Macs have all sorts of buggy behavior if you try to use them with WEP. Besides, WEP is a very old-fashioned, insecure system, and people here have reported problems getting a bridge and HR20 to play nice with it, even with PCs.

    Step 5: Now power up the bridge and connect its ethernet cable to one of the open ethernet ports (not the uplink port) on your router. It's fine to temporarily unplug something else to do this, as long as it isn't the computer you're doing this on.

    Step 6 - Enter http://192.168.1.226 in the address window on your browser. You'll get another of those dialogs asking for user name and password. This time, enter "admin" in both windows. This should now bring up the control panel for the wireless bridge. (It's GREEN.) You'll note that it's set for a static IP (the same number you just used to get here.) DON'T click "DHCP", leave these settings exactly as they are. (It's probably possible to make this work without a static IP, but why bother? It would be much more complicated.)

    You may have to change the static IP in this panel if your router uses something other than the Linksys default (IP 192.168.1.1, assigning IPs to DHCP clients starting with 192.168.1.100.) The key idea is that the static IP of the bridge has have the first three numbers the same as the router, but the last one different from the router's address and outside the range of numbers reserved for assignment by the router's DHCP. (The linksys default for the latter is 192.168.1.100 through 192.168.1.150)

    Step 7 - Here are the things you do need to change in this panel: a) You can give the bridge a name, if you want, though it really only helps keep things straight if you have more than one bridge on your network. b) You definitely must enter your network name where it says "SSID" c) The setting labeled "security" must match the wireless security settings on your router. If security is disabled on your router, click "disable" here. If you have the router set for WPA Personal, click "enable" here , then click the button that says "edit security settings"

    This will bring up a separate window, where you should a) set Security type to "WPA Pre-shared key" (quite a gotcha if you don't know that this is the same as WPA Personal) b) Check that "WPA Algorithms:" matches what's on your router (presumably TKIP) and c) Enter your wireless password where it says "WPA Shared Key"

    Now click "apply", Wait until this window comes back and confirms that the settings have been made, then just close this window. Then, back in the main control panel, also click "apply" and wait to see that the new settings have taken.

    Step 8 - Now unplug the bridge from the router and the power and take it to your HR20. Plug the ethernet cable into the port on the HR20 and power up the bridge. Wait until the "power" light on the bridge is steady (about 10-20 secs) then turn on the HR20. Go to Menu/Setup/network on the HR20 and click "connect now" or "test connection" whichever appears. With any luck at all, after a brief wait the HR20 will report that you are successfully connected to the internet. (If you've been messing with trying to make a network connection before - especially experimenting with giving the HR20 a static IP - you must click "restore defaults" before you attempt to connect.)

    Now that you're up and running, if you look at the DHCP client table on your router, you'll see that the HR20 is sitting there with a friendly DHCP IP assigned by the router (something like 192.168.1.103) and a name that reflects the last part of its MAC address. It looks exactly the same as if it were wired into the router. Likewise, if you run the system test on the HR20, all the values will come back as if it were connected to the router with a cable.

    Once you see this, it will become clear how a bridge works: it transparently connects the ethernet port on a device into the wireless hub/router in place of a cable. The problem is that, because it sorta looks like a router, and because the jargon around this stuff is so dense and confusing, it's very easy to approach this thinking that the bridge is a sort of mini-router of its own. . . . that it works by connecting to the router (the way the router connects to your modem) and then assigning an IP to the HR20 via an internal DHCP function of its own, so that the HR20 talks to the bridge and the bridge then forwards/translates this communication to the router. Once you get a mind-lock on this picture (as I did for over 24 hours), it becomes very hard to get things right.

    Instead of thinking of the bridge as a mini-router, it's much more useful to think of it as an outboard version of the wireless adaptor you used to have to plug into the PCMCIA slot on your laptop (before they all came built-in): you don't have to worry about any of its internal settings. Just power it up and tell it what it needs know to to connect to the wireless network (name and password.) It takes care of all the rest and is itself invisible. When you see this, then leaving the bridge on a static IP and everything else about the setup will seem obvious.

    Have fun ;)
     
  13. Nov 4, 2007 #113 of 456
    Spanky_Partain

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    Thanks for the write up. I have included it in the Recommended Links section of post #1 for others to use...
     
  14. Nov 6, 2007 #114 of 456
    jeff125va

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    Has anyone else been able to connect to the network, but not to the internet? I'm having this problem on my HR20-100. My connection is hard-wired to my router. I have a bunch of PC's and another HR20-700 and an XBOX 360 on the network that can all connect to the internet just fine. I've tried rebooting the HR20-100, the router, the modem, etc. and nothing has worked. Any ideas?

    EDIT: Just found the "connected to network, but not internet" thread. I'll try that tonight.
     
  15. Nov 6, 2007 #115 of 456
    Spoffo

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    <I've tried rebooting the HR20-100, the router, the modem, etc. and nothing has worked. Any ideas?>

    Did you click "reset defaults" on the HR20. That's the only way to get it to request an IP from the router's DHCP, which sounds like your problem.
     
  16. Nov 7, 2007 #116 of 456
    sbpetro

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    For those of you with a Linksys WGA54G WGA here's how I got it to work after many attemps and getting ERROR 22. Network would connect but not the Internet.

    1 - Plug your WGA54G into your computer's ethernet connection and run the setup wizard CD.

    2 - Set the IP address to mannual (user defined) and enter an IP address within your routers range. Mine was 192.168.1.71

    3 - Complete the WGA54G setup.

    4 - Unplug the WGA54G from your computer (power and eternet).

    5 - Plug the WG54G into the HR20 and run network setup in "advanced" mode.

    6 - Set the IP address to the same address as you used to setup the WGA54G in the setup wizard.

    Should be something like this:
    192.168.1.71
    255.255.255.0
    192.168.1.254
    192.168.1.254
    the last two are both the IP address of my wireless router (use your routers)

    7 - Then, you need to run the "connect to internet" step in the HR20 setup.

    This should take less than a minute and then say "congratulations"

    When I initially setup my WGA54G I left the IP to be automatically setup by the router which didn't seem to work at all. After a few hours of struggling I finally set the IP address to a user defined one and wouldn't you know it the darn thing worked.

    The default IP address for the WGA54G is 192.168.1.250. You may be able to use this in the D* advanced network setup and not have to change the WGA's IP address. I didn't mess with mine after I got it working.:D

    Best of luck!
     
  17. Nov 8, 2007 #117 of 456
    Spanky_Partain

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    To avoid this type of problem I suggest turning clone mode off on the game adapter and use a static IP on both the game adapter and the HR20. The clone mode is only needed if the game adapter is going to plug into a Xbox.
     
  18. Nov 8, 2007 #118 of 456
    joesigg

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    I currently am using a Verizon One phone as my DSL interface. It functions as an ethernet and/or wireless router and is always connected to the internet. It contains a Westell Versalink gateway. Computer and Hr20-700 are connected via ethernet currently and all works like a charm, including DOD. Computer has its own firewall - Zone Alarm.

    I also have an HR20-100 upstairs with no good way to run an ethernet wire. I want DOD upstairs also, so I ordered a Buffalo WLI TX4 G54P G MIMO adapter from Newegg. To use it, I will have to the activate the wireless part of the Verizon One phone and that is my concern. My wireless network will consist of one HR20 with the adapter talking to the router in the phone. I am concerned about security breach or access to wireless net by neighbor or hacker and a back door to wired connection to computer.

    I build my own computers, but this is my first foray into wireless networking. Any advice on how to set up?? I think this will operate with WEP, whatever that is.

    Thank you!:confused:
     
  19. Nov 8, 2007 #119 of 456
    flmilkfarmer

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    I have my HR-21 connected now to both the network and the internet and have tried to activate media share using WMP11 with no luck. All the test run ok on the HR21 but on my laptop under network places I do not see the HR21 nor will it show up in the sharing setup in WMP11. I am using my laptop as a bridge so I have a cable between the HR21 and the laptop that is wireless to the internet through a netgear router. Any ideas what I am doing wrong still?
     
  20. Nov 9, 2007 #120 of 456
    satjay

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    Will a NETGEAR wall plugged Etherent bridge work...I only ask becouse it is a bit cheaper then the "powerline" version. If it will it should be plug and play also??

    thanks for any assistance
     
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