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Stop Trying to Turn My DVR into a Tivo

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by mikek, Dec 1, 2007.

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  1. Dec 1, 2007 #21 of 136
    mikek

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    The kind that either of the other DVRs I have used. Replaytv had a 30 second skip, auto commercial skip, manual commercial skip and a skip to whenever you want.

    LG had a skip that is 1/30 of the program length. So it is 2 minutes for an hour recording.

    -mk
     
  2. Dec 1, 2007 #22 of 136
    kstefanec

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    When I get to the commercials, I hit skip the number of times I think there will be commercials, usually 5 or 6. HR20 gets it right on. Not sure what the problem is.

    What is wrong with the HR20 guide grid?!? Makes perfect intuative sense to me.

    TIVO bye bye. Never really liked the look of the interface. Too cartoonish looking like Windows XP. I always change to classic view, BTW. I really only miss the dual buffers but we can debate that all day long.

    And what's with the goofy thumbs? Never liked them, either. Still don't know what they're for. And don't pick programs I want to watch! I can find enough crap to watch on my own. I turned that junk off right away.

    So why is TIVO better again?
     
  3. Dec 1, 2007 #23 of 136
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    OK, there are a few things I like better about the HR20 than the TiVo. It is nice to see how much space I have left. And it is really nice that I could plug in an eSATA drive and have it just work. And it is nice that all the outputs are always active. But, given the choice, I'd still pick TiVo in a heartbeat.

    Usability - TiVo's interface is simple and consistent. I never had to hunt for anything or think hard about what I was doing. After a month of daily use, I still have to look for things in the HR20 menus.

    One current gripe - I have the playlist sorted by title (something that should be very easy to do and change). TiVo is smart - it sorts programs and folders by title, but programs within folders by date. So episodes within a folder were in the correct order. HR20 carries the sort by title too far, sorting episodes in the folder by title, too. So, I have to look at each date to figure out which episode to watch next.

    One other gripe is that changing the current favorites list is much more complicated than it should be. And while I'm at it, I don't really expect to have to go into "Settings" to set up recordings. Settings should be reserved for changing how the device works.

    Reliability - My TiVo's "just worked". I never worried about missing a recording, partial recordings, or figuring out what happened when something didn't record. Having to reset was extremely rare. I haven't had that many problems with the HR20 -- but I have had one partial recording, had to figure out why something didn't record, and had to do a couple of resets. Overall, not too bad, but far more problems than I would have had with TiVo in the same period of time.
     
  4. Dec 1, 2007 #24 of 136
    mikek

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    That is what I am trying to figure out. And that is why I don't want my HR20 to turn into a Tivo clone. I would rather it progress in another direction.

    Like I said, if I wanted a Tivo I would have bought a Tivo.

    -mk
     
  5. Dec 1, 2007 #25 of 136
    bonscott87

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    HR20 has a 30 second "slip" and in the latest CE cycle a true 30 second skip is being added. So perhaps that will be what you are looking for.
     
  6. Dec 1, 2007 #26 of 136
    kstefanec

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    What exactly do you have to hunt for in the menus? After using the HR20's interface for 10 minutes, I pretty much learned where everything is. I not trying to be a smart a$$, but I think the everything is fine where its at. Are you just so engrained in the TIVO mindset that things "just aren't where they should be?"

    Why do you have to go into settings to set up a recording? I never do. What am I missing?

    I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. I've never missed a recording, got a partial, or any of those problems. I would be upset if that happened but I do know from reading this forum that it has happened in the past. Hopefully, this is an issue resolved with the software updates.
     
  7. Dec 1, 2007 #27 of 136
    Bill Broderick

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    Not if you live on the east coast and record programs on Sunday night, it isn't. Last week, the late football game on CBS ran 57 minutes long. Since I was watching the game, I was able to extend the stop time on both programs that were in my To Do list.

    Without Skip to Tick, it would have been necessary to scan through nearly an hour of programming in order to get to the beginning of the two shows that I recorded. With Skip to tick, it was only necassary to rewind 3 minutes, after advancing to the 1 hour mark.

    Other than the fact that it was nearly a full hour, last Sunday wasn't an exception, it was the rule. Any time that CBS airs a late game in NY, the entire Sunday evening schedule is shifted accordingly.
     
  8. Dec 1, 2007 #28 of 136
    mikek

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    yep, that is one of the things I am looking for. 30 second skip would be a great addition.

    -mk
     
  9. Dec 1, 2007 #29 of 136
    mikek

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    On replaytv you could just press 60 skip and it would skip 60 minutes.

    On the LG you just press the right arrow and the cursor on the progress bar moves to where ever you want it.

    -mk
     
  10. Dec 1, 2007 #30 of 136
    Keith Huntington

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    No no no. The OP said he DIDN'T want any Tivo features, and the true 30s skip is a Tivo feature. (Thank goodness it looks like the SKIP vs SLIP can be toggled, so that the OP isn't forced to use a true 30s skip!)
     
  11. Dec 1, 2007 #31 of 136
    mikek

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    LOL

    I just want the good features from all the different DVRs, not just Tivo.

    I thought the Tivo 30 skip was a hack.

    -mk
     
  12. Dec 1, 2007 #32 of 136
    Matt9876

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    I couldn't turn your HR20/21 into a TiVo even if I wanted to.

    All I want to know can the new stand alone HD-TiVo send out the proper IR commands to run the H20/21 ?

    Is anyone doing this successfully?

    Matt

    Edit: Found out it won't,no support for sat at all,"Must be the agreement with Directv",only uses cable cards. "Major Bummer!"
     
  13. Dec 1, 2007 #33 of 136
    kstefanec

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    HUH?!?
     
  14. Dec 1, 2007 #34 of 136
    opelap

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    Just give me an HD Ultimate TV and I would be happy.
     
  15. Dec 1, 2007 #35 of 136
    Stuart Sweet

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    Discussion of Cutting Edge features is limited to the Cutting Edge forum, please.

    :backtotop

    The point is, that although I personally think TiVo did a lot of things wrong, they also did a lot of things right, and within the law there's nothing wrong with adding features to the HR20 that are similar to the ones TiVo did right.
     
  16. Dec 1, 2007 #36 of 136
    mikek

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    I agree, my point is that it seems that we focus on the Tivo and not other DVRs when trying to make improvements to the HR20.

    -mk
     
  17. Dec 2, 2007 #37 of 136
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    No it isn't. 30 second skip is a feature TiVo coded but then caved in to their partners and didn't implement. It was then discovered by hackers along with the method to temporarily enable it. The hackers were likely pointed in that direction by TiVo insiders because every other DVR had the 30 second skip. You must not have been around for that. It still sucks that if you want it to stick you have to hack the unit.

    TiVo ALWAYS, since day one, caved for advertising partners at the expense of it's dvr customers. They left the heavy lifting for hackers to do so they could wash their hands of it. :nono2:
     
  18. Dec 2, 2007 #38 of 136
    ToddinVA

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    Damn right I do!
     
  19. Dec 2, 2007 #39 of 136
    ccr1958

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    that would be nice....especially now that i have
    high speed internet(HSI)....when i had UTV all i could
    get at the time was dial up....i can't remember...
    could the UTV even be connected to HSI or was it
    dial up only....
     
  20. Dec 2, 2007 #40 of 136
    Doug Brott

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    Mike, You see a lot of that here because from a pure numbers point of view, TiVo had the most subscribers. Things are changing.

    Skip to anywhere would be a great feature addition .. The feature I would use more often is an instant skip-to-tick rather than a press & hold scenario that we currently have. TiVo got that one right and if DIRECTV's implementation were similarly easy, I'd have no problem with it .. as it stands, TiVo is the only other reference point that I have.

    We like all good feature ideas. If you have ideas coming from the ReplayTV world, then pass them along. We have a thread set up just for HR20/HR21 feature ideas .. check it out: http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=93995

    Now as for Automatic Commercial skip .. Isn't that part of the reason that ReplayTV is no longer around? ;) I wouldn't expect to see that feature added any time soon.
     
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