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Stop Trying to Turn My DVR into a Tivo

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by mikek, Dec 1, 2007.

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  1. Dec 5, 2007 #101 of 136
    flipptyfloppity

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    No, the first DVR was ReplayTV. TiVo followed about two months later. TiVo predates ALL satellite and cable DVRs by a year if not two. And as pointed out, most of those were pretty lousy.
     
  2. Dec 5, 2007 #102 of 136
    Spoonie

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    That's not true. Have you ever heard of "Ultimate TV"? The Ultimate TV utilized an RCA DVR that had dual-buffers and the whole SheBang. And that was from the last century.
     
  3. Dec 6, 2007 #103 of 136
    boltjames

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    Correct. No different than Sony's Betamax which did everything right except one or two strategic things (capacity, failure to license) which allowed it to be crushed by VHS, certainly one of the Top 5 Technical Innovations of The 1980's. So strikingly similar to Tivo it's scary.

    My wife still asks me if we are going to "tape" something on the DVR tonight. My kids as me to "Tivo" a program for them.

    In the end, it's the DVR that will be the technical product of the decade (along with the iPod and maybe GPS Navigation) and the name "Tivo" will eventually be forgotten. Ask anyone under the age of 25 what a Betamax is.

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  4. Dec 6, 2007 #104 of 136
    flipptyfloppity

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    Ultimate TV was pretty sweet. It was really odd MS let that die on the vine. It had the picture in the corner during the guide and such. The only real downside was it had a lot of ads on the screen.

    Still, despite predating the DirecTiVo, it comes a lot later than the original (analog) TiVos.
     
  5. Dec 6, 2007 #105 of 136
    groovadelickun

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    All I know is that whenever my wife uses the HR20 she curses it repeatly and leaves the room to go watch on the HDTivo ;)
     
  6. Dec 6, 2007 #106 of 136
    nth78

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    Same here except she goes to watch our SD Tivo
     
  7. Dec 6, 2007 #107 of 136
    ShiningBengal

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    Yes. I heard of it. What is more, I evidently have a more accurate recollection of it than do you. Ultimate TV did not precede the DSR6000, although it did precede the dual tuner capabilities of the single tuner enabled DSR6000 by a few months. It was rushed to market specifically to steal TiVo's thunder with dual tuners, and was initially very bug-ridden. The bugs were "ultimately" squashed, and it became a worthy competitor to TiVo. But Microsoft abandoned it because it never achieved significant market share.

    The non-integrated Philips HDR-212 came out a year or so prior to Ultimate TV.

    RCA never produced a DVR of its own. Ultimate TV was a product of an RCA/Microsoft partnership. Microsoft produced the software, and marketed the product.

    All of these were "from the last century":rolleyes:
     
  8. Dec 6, 2007 #108 of 136
    ShiningBengal

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    Er...I don't think there ever was an analog DIGITAL recorder on the market. The original TiVo's were DIGITAL, not analog.

    Another downside of Ultimate TV was the very well documented bugs the early models had. The bad PR ultimately killed Ultimate TV and it was withdrawn from the market as it was never commercially successful.
     
  9. Dec 6, 2007 #109 of 136
    opelap

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    Which is the sad part. I would go back to my UTV in a heartbeat if it did HD and would work with the new dishes. It was the perfect interface for me and my wife. She still laments over going to the HR20 every time it acts up.
     
  10. Dec 6, 2007 #110 of 136
    BkwSoft

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    Tivo was a good product that was excellently marketed. ReplayTV was an excellent product that was poorly marketed. If it wasn’t for the lack of ATSC tuners and the fact that DIRECTV more or less dropped support of RS232 channel changing I would still be using my Replays.

    In my eyes the only thing Tivo had over ReplayTV was the suggestions which I wouldn't want anyway.

    The one thing ReplayTV had (and frankly still does) have over the others was MVR. It was elegantly simple, you simply drop them on the network and they worked. Period. There was no hassle of coping shows from one machine to the other, and if you had recording conflicts it would schedule a recording on a machine that was available.
     
  11. Dec 6, 2007 #111 of 136
    DanM

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    What I really dig about our SD DirecTivos is they never crash. They never cancel programs or delete shows mysteriously, and record the shows I expect them to record. They might be the most reliable electronic equipment I've had in years.

    Make me another D* DVR that can do that. I'll take slower interface over reliability issues any day.
     
  12. Dec 6, 2007 #112 of 136
    Lee L

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    I had a Dishplayer fmor almost the begining and suffer through the many SW versions and issues, but I have to say that they did finally turn it into a good system toward the end (right after they started the UltimateTV project).

    I agree TiVo is better and the HR20 is better in my opinion now that they seem to have the recording issues worked out (hopefully). However, the single feature that the DishPlayer and I think UltimateTV had that everyone wants is soft padding. It would automatically record an extra minute at the end and beginning of each show, unless ther ewas somethign before or after, then it would start on time. Seems so simple and so desirable, yet no one will implement it.
     
  13. Dec 6, 2007 #113 of 136
    radamo

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    Boy, you are not kidding... The dual live buffers used to get a real workout at my house.... That is the number one feature I miss!!!
    RA

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  14. Dec 6, 2007 #114 of 136
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    +1
     
  15. Dec 6, 2007 #115 of 136
    Spoonie

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    Same here. If UTV was HD I'd be in heaven.
     
  16. Dec 6, 2007 #116 of 136
    Tulsa1

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    Hey, I had one of these (showing age:p )
     
  17. Dec 6, 2007 #117 of 136
    Dr. Booda

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    +1

    The TiVo vs. HR20/1 debate is kind of moot for me, I just want an operational HD DVR instead of a problematic HD DVR/media player/DOD/+ what ever else is next. KISS is an engineering mantra I believe in, so fix the HD DVR part and leave the other capabilities alone for now if they are contributing to the reliability of the system.
     
  18. Dec 6, 2007 #118 of 136
    boltjames

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    Once you spend a week without DLB, you realize that it wasn't that critical to the viewing experience, and all the new features in the HR20/1 far outweigh the one that is missing. That's what I went through at least. Missed it for a week, started to enjoy all the other new features, realized I wasn't worse off at all.

    BJ
     
  19. Dec 6, 2007 #119 of 136
    rapjrhb

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    It's not the only feature that is missing - just my (and many people's) favorite!
     
  20. Dec 6, 2007 #120 of 136
    coacho

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    boltjames: you type in absolutes. To the contrary, I had the HR20 for about a month and had to reinstall my HR10. Now my HR20 is a nice compliment to my HR10 but not a replacement.
     
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