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Suggestions for moving to Canada and keeping Dish?

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Rop, Jun 1, 2005.

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  1. Rop

    Rop Cool Member

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    Thanks everyone for the feedback! I'm getting the picture...

    While discussing the same on a Canadian forum the message there is that to date no individual has been prosecuted for watching US satellite, though laws against doing so are on the books and have been confirmed by the Canadian supreme court. It's a pitty a country feels so insecure about their own broadcast industry that they resort to these measures. Ah well, in 5 years I'll have Canadian citizenship and I'll be sure to make my vote count!

    As to keeping a low profile: I've been told many "Dish Network" labeled dishes are used to receive StarChoice or ExpressVue. So there's no telling from the dish if someone is watching US satellite.

    As it happens I can import all household goods into Canada without duties since I'll be staying there long-term. So I'll just put the dishes and receiver on the customs manifest. Worst case they'll confiscate it, not a biggy (other than loosing an activated receiver, hard to activate another one from Canada), it's all cheap stuff bought on E-Bay.

    -Rob-
     
  2. 23collector

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    A recent court ruling in Quebec, Canada found that it is against Canadian rights to deny anyone to subscribe to American satellite services.

    The argument that sealed the ruling was basically: Why can Canadian citizens have newspapers, such as the New York Times, delivered to their door in Canada, but not be allowed to subscribe to other U.S. media? (paraphrasing, of course).

    Further steps are apparently being taken to make it fully legal to receive U.S. satellite services in Canada. I'll try to find the link to the article.

    I have relatives in Canada who have been loyal Dish Network subscribers since the late 90's. All you have to have is a physical U.S. address... that's it. Getting the equipment accross the border is a non-issue. They cannot stop you from bringing the equipment in, but you may have to pay duty.

    The people I know in Canada ordered their Dish equipment off of ebay.

    The only thing is, you can never connect a phone line to the receiver. If you want to rent movies that badly... head to Blockbuster.
     
  3. 23collector

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    By the way... there is a reason thousands of Canadians subscribe to U.S. satellite services...

    Canadian satellite services are aweful! Basically the majority of what you get are Canadian networks, such as, CTV and CBC. You get 8 or 9 of each of those from accross the country, along with 8 or 9 of a few other "local" networks.

    It would be like getting 8 or 9 different ABC's, CBS's, NBC, etc. from small towns across the U.S.. So on paper, it looks like they offer a lot of channels, but about half of those channels are local networks all showing the same programming.

    The bulk of the rest of the channels are "Canadian versions" of American channels, such as MTV Canada (which hardly has any MTV U.S. programming), Food Network Canada, Discovery Channel Canada, etc.. All with enough of Canadian content to bore the hell of Canadians!

    If you like your set up now, i.e. the U.S. services, trust me, do not switch to Canadian services, you will regret it. Stick with Dish Network.
     
  4. 23collector

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    Looks like I spoke too soon...

    Apparently the ruling I was talking about in my previous post was reversed this past April.

    http://www.friends.ca/News/Friends_News/archives/articles04050503.asp

    I still say, take your chances. There are a literally hundreds of thousands of Canadians subscribing to U.S. satellite services. I doubt they are going to go door-to-door to stop everyone.
     
  5. Rop

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    Thanks 23! Yeah, I knew about that supreme court ruling. It's sad.
    I'll try and stick with my Dish subscription. The receiver I have has never been on a phone line (don't use PPV), so that's a non-issue. I'll probably do a change of address to a friend's place at some point, but should be good for a year anyway because of mail forwarding.

    Looks like I'll be in your neck of the woods in about 6 weeks. Waaaay up-state NY ;) , as a matter of fact it's about 40 minutes north of Ogdensburg NY. Maybe we should commisorate together over a beer and discuss the state of TV affairs in Canada...

    -Rob-
     
  6. James Long

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    Not that anyone has ever been charged with the crime, but it is at least a violation of FCC rules. :D

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  7. 23collector

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    Rob,

    :lol: I know Ogdensburg very well... I've been to the Wal-Mart there... which is basically all there is in Ogdensburg.

    40 minutes north of Ogdensburg, eh... are we going to be drinking Canadian beer?? ;)
     
  8. Rop

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    Is Canadian beer any better than US beer? If not, we may have to settle for a neutral third party country that is mutually agreable.... :D

    To answer your question though: About 15 seconds north of Ogdensburg would put you waaaay upstate NY, assuming that's your definition of waaaay upstate. Another 40 minutes (might in fact be less) will put you around Manotick. That's where I'll be starting mid-July. They have a "Beer Store" or whatever the name of that chain is, so prospects in that regard are good.

    To stay more on-topic: I'm planning to put up at least a KU-band FTA dish as well, just for fun. My understanding is that's perfectly legal in Canada, so I'm not expecting any trouble with that. There's a Dutch station on KU that re-broadcasts popular TV programmes from the motherland. Would be fun to be able to watch that. I'll need a good source of equipment (dish and receiver) so if anyone has suggestions north of the St. Lawrence river...

    -Rob-
     
  9. redhorse1973

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    your relatives in Canada using a Credit Card that has a Canadian address?
     
  10. derwin0

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    That ruling was overturned on appeal.
     
  11. redhorse1973

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    ^^

    I heard about that...
     
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