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Super Bowl Halftime looks pre-recorded

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by Delroy E Walleye, Feb 3, 2013.

  1. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    You insisted that the reason that the Beyonce show looked like a pre-recorded package was because they shifted the frame rate.
    The remarkable difference in contrast and color saturation is what made me (and others) suspect that it wasn't "live" or was otherwise noticeably filtered. It looked like it had been shot on film.

    The rest of the coverage (pre, in and post-game) and commercials looked like a little too much compressed HD (although the TV brightness was too high) so I doubt the viewing setup was the direct cause of the film look halftime show.
     
  2. Hoosier205

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    It was not shot on film. The frame rate is different. That is the only reason it appeared to have a film-like appearance. There were no issues with color saturation or balance.
     
  3. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    What were the frame rates used for the game, the commercials and the halftime show (respectively)?
     
  4. pdxBeav

    pdxBeav Godfather

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    I guess it's one thing for someone to state something as fact, but when asked to provide data......radio silence. ;)
     
  5. Hoosier205

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    23.976 fps for the halftime show. 29.97 fps for everything else. They do this for the Victoria's Secret show each year as well.
     
  6. pdxBeav

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    Thanks!
     
  7. Maruuk

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    What's the point of it, just to create a classic film-look?
     
  8. Delroy E Walleye

    Delroy E Walleye AllStar

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    That's precisely my original question. Like I said, it's a stupid look for live television. If it's supposed to look like a filmed concert, maybe one can get used to it given enough time.

    I could also try to guess that there might be other reasons than artistic choice. I do remember the first HD broadcast of VSFS and the picture was pretty badly blocked up by the overuse of strobe lights.

    It could also be to save bandwidth for people to download to phones.

    IMO the only advantage of "film-look" to the average user is when saving to DVD and playing back on an old 480 progressive TV, the picture looks a bit sharper.
     
  9. Maruuk

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    Film-look is very psychological. Folks associate film with iconic, classic images that rise above cheap, live, hi-def video. It's the problem with the new Hobbit film at 48 fps, folks are saying it looks like a cheap afternoon soap opera because it's so over-crisp, video-looking and live-appearing. It cheapens the perception of the image. Video = cheap and disposable. Film = Metavalues and quality.
     
  10. harsh

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    There were huge issues with the color saturation and balance. Issues that you insist could not be attributed to frame rate.

    Live video, regardless of frame rate, should look like live video, right?

    For their part, Canon offers a CINE mode:
    This is separate and apart from the funky sampling done to get a 24fps recording laid on tape at 60fps interlaced.

    So while changing the frame rate changes the frame rate, it takes some proc amp wizardry to truly achieve the look and feel of film.
     
  11. Hoosier205

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    What (display) did you view these supposed "issues" on?


    60 fps? Want to try that again? That's HFR territory.
     
  12. Maruuk

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    Still, the quickest path to film-look is 24fps.
     
  13. Delroy E Walleye

    Delroy E Walleye AllStar

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    Thought I'd bump this thread. I still have the same gripe and don't understand why change the framerate look? Could you imagine how crappy the game would look if it were juddered like that?

    I'm sure that there's way more than framerate to complain about (not much left to degrade in this particular case - unless you're a KP fan - ) but this issue just irks me. NBC does this for their "live broadcast" holiday performances, too (SOM, PP). Not only you get jerky picture, but any movement of the camera causes very bad blurring in this mode.
     
  14. Laxguy

    Laxguy Honi Soit Qui Mal Y Pense.

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    Perhaps it's your TV. My Sammy plasma had no ill artifacts.
     
  15. RunnerFL

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    Looked pretty smooth on my Samsung DLP too.
     
  16. Delroy E Walleye

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    There's nothing wrong with my display. This was crappy and juddered. The rest of the game looked fantastic, PQ-wise. Judder just completely destroys the feel of live TV.

    There were maybe a couple of overhead shots featuring slower movement that didn't seem to suffer as much. But the rest of the show... Yuck!
     
  17. Laxguy

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    Does the fact that others don't experience judder on the same show might mean that the problem lies in your setup, most likely the display?
    What is your setup?
     
  18. peds48

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    FWIW, i did not notice anything either on my set up. It looked smooth
     
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  19. RunnerFL

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    Lowest common denominator..... No one else has the issue, only you.
     
  20. harsh

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    I was watching a poorly tuned Samsung plasma on Comcast and there were a couple of kinds of artifacts. It was not a good experience.
     

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