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Super Bowl National Anthem

Discussion in 'The OT' started by The Merg, Feb 6, 2011.

  1. Feb 8, 2011 #101 of 120
    TheRatPatrol

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    If I'm not mistaken, they play it in movie theaters on military bases, at least they did when I was growing up.
     
  2. Feb 8, 2011 #102 of 120
    Nick

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    Its not luck, bud -- your choice to ignore opportunities to publicly express your appreciation to those who fought and died for our freedoms is certainly yours to make. I suppose you also don't appreciate the pain and suffering your mother went through to give birth to you. It's people like you who go through life contributing nothing and appreciating less.

    The "luck" is that you were born in this great country and not in Bangladesh or Calcutta, India. If you don't value the privilege of living in this country, what do you value, other than yourself?
     
  3. Feb 8, 2011 #103 of 120
    MysteryMan

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    +1......The price of freedom can be seen at any VA hospital.
     
  4. Feb 8, 2011 #104 of 120
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    Very possible. Having not had the honor of serving (medical reasons), I'm not sure what is done on US Bases overseas.
     
  5. Feb 8, 2011 #105 of 120
    fluffybear

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    Yes we are lucky! You might find this hard to believe but there are people in this world who are proud of their country and have no problem with taking a few short moments to show their pride and patriotism.

    In the 1970's, a professional sports franchise (I forget who) tried to forgo the the national anthem. After all, it's not needed anymore :rolleyes:.
    Long story short, When it came time to start the game, the crowd stood and waited for the national anthem to be played. When it wasn't & play started, the crowd became upset and boo'ed until they finally had to stop play & play it.
    !pride
     
  6. Feb 8, 2011 #106 of 120
    dmspen

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    On the local AM talk show, a personal opinion was given by the station manager. He said what made him angry about the National Anthem was not the forgotten words, but that she used so many fluorishes, the actually melody was often lost. It seemed as if she was using this venue as a personal performance rather than honoring our country and our National Anthem.

    I kind of agree. I don't mind a little personalisation, but she carried it too far. I think her mind was so caught up in how to do the song, she forgot the words.
     
  7. Feb 8, 2011 #107 of 120
    RasputinAXP

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    Key, no; it's already been mentioned that the song itself has quite the range, and depending on the individual singer it needs to have the key changed.

    Rhythms are another thing, and are mutable based on the fact that the opening line itself is interpreted differently depending on how you learned it.

    Examples:
    Dotted-eighths instead of straight eighths to start each verse:
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    Quarter notes, even! And this is an old one. it's actually really unique-looking because there are a LOT of rhythmic differences:
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    Similar to the above, looks like it's about the same time period:
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    Modern version based on the 1917 version with straight eighths...
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    Variations in key and rhythm aside, I agree the flourishes and ornamentation that some singers feel they need to tag onto it are ridiculous. When I sing it I give it the respect it's due.
     
  8. Feb 8, 2011 #108 of 120
    Laxguy

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    Bingo!

    It's been a long time since I've heard someone sing it who doesn't do just what you describe. (see my post of yesterday).
     
  9. Feb 8, 2011 #109 of 120
    Stewart Vernon

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    Taking a step back for a second...

    1. There are some who would equate not saluting or wearing a hat as the same as pissing on the flag. I think that is unfair and inaccurate. There are those who go out of their way to be unpatriotic, and I think it is fair to be critical of them... but people who don't follow the absolute letter of the suggested ways (note, not a law just suggested) of honoring the flag, anthem, etc.?

    I think that goes too far... and is completely counter to the free country we are supposed to have,

    Any time there is an uprising in another country where people are critical of their government or something... we always like to say "see, in the US you can be critical of your country and it is ok because we are a free country" but then when someone actually does something perceived even remotely as unpatriotic, they are reviled.

    Also... one should keep in mind that technically speaking... all of those t-shirts and hats with flags on them... and most of those car-mounted-flags and bumper stickers also are non-compliant with the flag code... SO the same reasons you might give for criticizing someone not properly honoring the anthem should be applied to those seemingly patriotic people as well.

    To my mind... it is all about intent. IF someone seeks to offend for the sake of offending, then talk to that person about what patriotism means... but if someone doesn't have malicious intent, then it's really not a big deal.

    2. I've said this before... People often say "you are lucky to be in a free country" and "you don't appreciate what people have sacrificed for you"... but truth be told... ALL of the people who have sacrificed to keep this a free country, did so in part to permit some who choose to be less patriotic. I can guarantee you that if you asked any soldier fighting for this country, they would to a man say something like "I am disappointed sometimes, but I put my life on the line for your right to unpatriotic if you wish as long as you aren't treasonous." ... or something to that effect.

    Once you put conditions on freedom... like you are free as long as you do it my way... then it become "freedom" and it no longer worth defending or honoring.
     
  10. Feb 8, 2011 #110 of 120
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    Carl Lewis was bad at singing it at an NBA game once also I like how at about 0.16 he says uh-oh and at 0.32 he says I will make up for it now.

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  11. Feb 8, 2011 #111 of 120
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    I am not a professional singer, but I do sing in public...the National Anthem is not an easy song to sing as it is written. I just opened up my sheet music for it and I could not sing it...don't have the range...had to really strain to hit the high notes, and the low notes are below what I can comfortably sing with any volume...my hat's off to anyone who tries singing the National Anthem in public.

    I also know that singing in public is not nearly as easy as some people think it is. Even professional singers get nervous....and nerves play havoc on the voice and on memory. I speak publicly for a living...but singing publicly scares me to death.

    Also, as some have mentioned, every singer puts their own spin on a song...but I do prefer a rendition close to what the song's author intended.

    As to the whole patriotism argument...I am a 22-year veteran (retired since 2000) of the US Navy. Stand and render honor or don't...I served so you have the right to do either. However, if you choose not to stand and render honor, I hope you won't think too harshly of my opinion of you...
     
  12. Feb 8, 2011 #112 of 120
    Supramom2000

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    That is absolutely what we say. And we put no conditions on it. We just ask that symbols representing what we fought for be honored. If they are not honored, then they need not be dishonored.

    I really don't think anyone is asking that hands on hearts be regulated. But hats taken off has always been a symbol of respect - even in a church. It would just be nice to see that respect be displayed openly.

    But you are absolutely correct when you say it is a choice. And a choice that represents our very foundation.
     
  13. Feb 8, 2011 #113 of 120
    James Long

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    The freedom to revile unpatriotic people is included. :D

    We lost that fight in the 60's and there are worse offenses than improperly displaying a flag. Inverted is a sign of distress and some have done that in protest ... burning and destruction have been ruled "free speech". I prefer to praise those who get it right instead of draw attention (and give publicity) to those who get it wrong.

    Personally it annoys me to see a picture of a flag blowing the wrong way above a building. It isn't "the perfect picture" until the wind shifts and the stars are in the upper left. It just doesn't look right.

    Many don't understand the rules. I'm happy when I see them followed.

    I really doubt the majority making sacrifices would want to tolerate unpatriotic people. Compensating by showing increased patriotism is a good response.
     
  14. Feb 8, 2011 #114 of 120
    Laxguy

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    While I prefer the opposite view, and respect your view, what in the devil is "wrong" with the stars being upper left? Or is this t.i.c.?
     
  15. Feb 8, 2011 #115 of 120
    James Long

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    I meant upper left ...
     
  16. Feb 8, 2011 #116 of 120
    Stewart Vernon

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    I know sometimes it seems like semantics and a fine line... but I really don't (and haven't been) encouraging dishonoring the flag or the anthem. I just think some go overkill on people for not always following the letter of the code.

    I don't generally wear a hat... but if I did, I would take it off. I wouldn't be bothered by anyone who doesn't, though.

    I've heard of some who are offended by people who don't dress up for church... but I'm pretty sure God doesn't really enforce a dress code for people of the faith. (Full disclosure requires me to say I am an atheist... but I have dressed up to go to funerals and a wedding in a church for family... but I also wouldn't think less of someone who couldn't or didn't dress up as long as they were there for the right reasons and otherwise behaved respectful).

    Same goes for the hand-over-heart aspect... I don't see it as a big deal for people who don't. Some people choose to sing along, while others don't. I do think it is rude to be having other conversation while the anthem is playing... and that would frankly bother me much more than someone who was respectfully quiet but didn't raise their hand.
     
  17. Feb 8, 2011 #117 of 120
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    Obviously we should only sing it in the key and rhythm that Congress thought they were approving in 1931.:rolleyes:
     
  18. Feb 9, 2011 #118 of 120
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    Which would be considered more unpatriotic?

    Failing to 'honor' the National Anthem or not paying your taxes?

    One could argue that we 'honor' our freedoms with every paycheck where we willing PAY for the protection of those freedoms (among other things).
     
  19. Feb 9, 2011 #119 of 120
    MysteryMan

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    There's a difference. There are those who choose not pay their taxes and then there are those who cannot afford to pay their taxes. When it comes to the National Anthem there are those who choose to honor it and those who choose not to.
     
  20. Feb 9, 2011 #120 of 120
    BubblePuppy

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    Keep in mind that the music was NOT written for The National Anthem:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anacreontic_Society:

     

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