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Superdish and Poor man Superdish

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by alebowgm, Jun 13, 2004.

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  1. Aug 16, 2004 #81 of 126
    SimpleSimon

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    Cool! Thanks, TonyM
     
  2. Aug 16, 2004 #82 of 126
    TonyM

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    worked on my 301 (didnt try the 508)
     
  3. Aug 16, 2004 #83 of 126
    larrystotler

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    If you use a P* style LNB, you can use a D* style 4 way multiswitch, and then tie it in with an SW21. Channel Master made a 2 way switch at 1 time as well. I actually have one, but don't have it handy.
     
  4. Aug 17, 2004 #84 of 126
    sanjiv428

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    Thanks Guys!

    I have 1 (stupid?) question, does anyone has a suggestion as to how to secure the twin 500 and the Ku lnb together ( tie strap?)

    Thanks again
     
  5. Aug 17, 2004 #85 of 126
    Jacob S

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    How much do those D* 4 way multiswitch cost? Aint they cheaper than the SW-64 switch?

    Also I would like to get a non DP Ku lnbf that would work with a DP34 (or DP21) that would bring in the even transponders instead of the odd ones because the main locals (NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX, WB) come in on an even transponder while just the PBS and KET feeds come in on the odd in which I can do without.
     
  6. Aug 17, 2004 #86 of 126
    SimpleSimon

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    Sorry, guy - ain't gona happen. DishPro gear requries the even transponders to be in the high band (1650-2150MHz) I've never heard of a conventional LNBF that would do that. Maybe something can be hacked together if you can find the right block converters, but you'll spend less just getting a DP SuperDish.
     
  7. Aug 17, 2004 #87 of 126
    SimpleSimon

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    As I said in post #79, you are not going to be able to do it. You need to get the 119 side of the Twin and the 121 LNBF within 2 degrees of each other, and the housings simply don't allow it to happen. See attached pic. Note the 110 LNBF is a standard Single/Dual. Now note the other 2 are jammed right next to each other without any housings.
     

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  8. Aug 17, 2004 #88 of 126
    larrystotler

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    And that the 121 is actually curved as well.

    Jacob: As for the D* multiswitchs, Perfect 10 sells one for about $10. Then, you would tie in 1 line from it to an SW21.

    Also, the problem is that E* doesn't make or support a standalone DP FSS LNB. Legacy is so far the only way with poor man's SD......, unless you only need the odds trans.
     
  9. Aug 17, 2004 #89 of 126
    Mike Phillips

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    I have the possibility of getting a used Superdish without the Dishpro Lnbs or holder. Is there a Lnbf holder that would fit the arm of a Superdish so I could buy a Ku standard Lnbf to use on it and use it with a SW64 switch? Is the Superdish , if I could fit with a Ku lnbf, large enough to use with a FTA receiver to get G10 ? Thanks for your responses, Mike
     
  10. Aug 17, 2004 #90 of 126
    James Long

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    It could be fun finding a used one in a market where the first new one was only sold late last year (November?). Most people doing homebrews are using used Primestar dishes.

    JL
     
  11. Aug 18, 2004 #91 of 126
    larrystotler

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    You'd have to take into account that the tilt of the SD is the skew on the LNB. Also, I have had better luck with a larger P* dish on the 105, so I guess it will depend upon which one you were aiming at.
     
  12. Aug 19, 2004 #92 of 126
    larrystotler

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    Hey Mike, I had a thought. When you tried to run the DP+44 and the DP34 together with the DP21, were you tieing into the same set of sats on the switches? I would think that it wouldn't show the same sat twice in the switch summary screen would it? Or did you actually try to set up the 6th dish and point it at the 148? I would assume that they have removed the logic for the 129 from most receivers now, so that wouldn't help....would it?
     
  13. Aug 20, 2004 #93 of 126
    Mike123abc

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    Well I only have 5 satellites. So, for the DPP44/DP34 tie in test to the DP21, I put 3 satellites on DPP44 and left one port empty, and put 2 satellites on the DP34 and left one port empty. This was just to see if a receiver could see 3 switches at the same time. The receiver only saw 2 switches. The switch that was on port 1 of the DP21 was what the receiver would see. Port 2 would just show the satellite on port 1 of the switch connected there. I could put the DP34 on port one and it would see DP34/DP21. I could put DPP44 on port 1 and it would see DPP44/DP21.

    Note that if you are only using 2 switches you can put a satellite on port 1 of the DP21 and the other switch (DPP44 or DP34) on port 2 and it will see both switches.

    The logic I seem to have found was if the first switch is a DP21 then it will look for a switch on side 1. If it finds a switch on side 1 it will stop looking. If it does not find a switch on side one it will look on side 2.

    I was not able to get 3 switches to be seen in any testing. I also just for experiment tried the DPP44 as the first switch and the DP21 behind it (would be cool to have 8 satellites) but the receivers would not recognize this at all.
     
  14. Aug 21, 2004 #94 of 126
    larrystotler

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    Yeah switching is a pain. I have another question. I was wondering whether a legacy receiver could work with a DP Adapter and see all 5 sats. Since it appears that the legacy sees the DP+44 as an SW64/SW21 combo, then I don't really think it would work, but I have a guy who is intent on getting all 5 sats with a legacy system, and I just don't think the ol;der boxes can manage it. The only way I can think of that you could get 3 switched would be to use a legacy quad into an SW64 and then an SW21. But that's kinda pointless, and a waste of a quad....
     
  15. Aug 21, 2004 #95 of 126
    Mike123abc

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    I think legacy will only do 4 satellites. The DP adapter makes it look like a SW64 or only 3 satellites.
     
  16. Aug 21, 2004 #96 of 126
    MaintMan

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    I did a poor mans super dish is Dec because I was not willing to wait two months just to get an appointment for install. Got an old P* dish free and got an lnb from tchan on Ebay and all is well. Had P* till they went away, and still had mount, so all I was out was time and about $40. I suggest getting a dual FSS lnb as the P* lnbs only had 1 output. Since Dish changed the pricing structure, locals do not really cost extra now.
     
  17. Aug 21, 2004 #97 of 126
    larrystotler

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    Most P* dishes had the dual LNB. Only the newer dishes had the single.
     
  18. Aug 21, 2004 #98 of 126
    Jacob S

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    The newer dishes that had the single, would it be able to have both even and odd transponders without having a special SW-64 switch to change the H/V polarities?
     
  19. Aug 21, 2004 #99 of 126
    SimpleSimon

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    No, a single LNB can't drive a switch. :(

    Legacy switches force one side of the LNB into odd (13V) and the other into even (18V).
     
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    I think he was wondering if the newer single port P* LNBs can be used without an SW44/64. As far as I know, the LNB can internally switch between the 2 voltages, and it could be ran into an SW21. However, if you wanted more than 1 receiver hooked up, you would need a 2 port LNB and a simple 2x4 multiswitch aka D*. Then you could run it into the lines from a 500 Twin or 500 Quad with SW21s.
     
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