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Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by AllenE, Nov 20, 2009.
Seriously? That was the best played game ever.
I'm sorry, but the goal in the game is to win. The winner is the player who wins. and who when you consider all the rules is the best player. If you lose you missed something important to becoming the winner.
Natalie played the game well because she aligned herself early with the right person. Everyone gunned him down in the end and she was left standing .. Good for her.
No doubt, Russell was the most entertaining player ever on Survivor. He even exceeded the first-season antics of Richard Hatch.
I think maybe it's ironic that Russell (who probably played the hardest and most obsessed with winning game we've ever seen) seemed to be surrounded with mostly passive personalities. It seems that one of the most basic rules of Survivor would be to identify the strong players and vote them out. In this instance, any even slightly aggressive player got voted out immediately. This continually left Russell in charge. Yes, Russell was indeed the most focused player we've ever seen... even constantly on the prowl while the others were often laying in bed. Even in the finale, Russell wasn't able to "enjoy" the game or process in any way and continued to show his ruthless, obsessed personality even as Nat was being handed her check. One of the things that keeps Survivor interesting is the many personalities involved and the many ways there are to play the game. And, I admit that Russell took us to a new level. However, most of us really don't like to see the most ruthless and obsessed person win... whether it's at work or in a reality show. So Nat won... good for her.
Vecepia (sorry if I spelled it wrong) version 2.
I agree with you 10000000000000000000000%.
I was surprised how arrogant he was after they voted Brett off and he was talking out loud to Natalie and Mick about how he had already won. It actually made me say to my wife "what a jerk." But I still think he should have won. His reaction on the reunion show was classic. You could see how visible upset he was. I'm sure he'll be a "villain" on this spring's edition.
Unfortunately, can't happen, though I agree he would be a good fit. They're already filming #20, so Russel couldn't be there. Pretty sure production costs had an impact, they started #20 as soon as the players from #19 left...they're filming in Samoa again. That way most of the "sets" are already built, the film crew and support are already in place, and all the necessary permissions from the host country have been taken care of. Gotta pay for those HD field cameras some how....
A couple of years ago, Sugar played well but POed the jury and did not get a vote. Russell also POed the jury and did not win.
S20 is already in the can. It was slated for Aug/Sep with Sep 20 as the end of the approx window. S20 beagan no earlier than 2 weeks after S19 ended. In any event,
Russel is rumored to be there.
Russell deserved to win. The idiots on the jury were just too bitter to give him the money. At least he won the 100k from the fan vote.
Great season with a bummer ending.
Think about the slogan and how it applies to Russell.
He did a half-a**ed job of that. By the end, everyone knew he was pulling the strings. He DID outwit the members of the jury, but he did it in such a way that he outwitted HIMSELF. He was so arrogant about how far ahead he was thinking on Day One - and it's true, he was - that he forgot to think ahead to Day Thirty Nine. All he knew (accurately) was that Brett was the biggest threat.
Remember what he said about Natalie - "What has she done? Nothing!". Russell, you hit the target but missed the bullseye. Yeah, she did nothing - compared to the way you po'd all the jury members. By sitting back and correctly seeing that strong women get voted off fast, she could plead "self defense" without having to have instigated the backstabbing.
He did that - but that was more in getting Shambo to flip and also remember how Natalie went *right to work* trying to get Galu to knock off one of their own right after the merge.
He did that - winning the last challenge when he had to. But, by then, he had too many enemies.
In the end, outwitting himself was his undoing. Russell had the same problem that my ex-wife has. He can't step out of his own shoes and thinks that everyone MUST think like him since he's so successful. My ex can't see things from someone else's point of view. Russell couldn't fathom that he personally po'd someone off so much that they wouldn't give him credit for his strategic moves - and he did that to just about everyone.
I was pretty happy with the outcome. I always watch the show from a "non-believers" perspective. By that I mean that I assume they are trying to make me see what they want me to see and not necessarily what is acutally going on. Obviously, the intent of the producers this season was to capitialize on the marketability of the Russel character and all the focus on him limited the visibility of what the others were doing.
With the actual physical survival aspect being almost a non-factor anymore, the game is really entirely a social/political game. As such, Natalie did a far better job of reaching the end in such a way as to get the most jury votes so she deserved to win. She "played" Russel by letting him believe that he was playing her.
Ah, you are forgetting Russell's BIGGEST outplay of all .. The hidden immunity idols. No doubt he would have been booted without the HI in play.
Glad he got to keep one and take home with him, though.
I was also under the impression Season 20 started shooting shortly after 19 ended. I can't imagine Russel was not part of it, and based on his reaction in the reunion show I'd bet he did not make it to the end.
Maybe .. For all we know, Russell was playing us
I was one of those rooting for Russell. But I have to agree with you that the man was too obsessed with winning to take the time to look at the whole picture.
For that alone, Nat deserved the win ... she, at least, followed a strategy that didn't involve stroking her own ego.
If Russell is in the next season does anyone think he will learn from his mistakes, or is he so convinced he did everything correctly that he will suffer the same fate?
I really enjoyed watching someone play like him, finding all of those idols (two without clues) makes you interesting all by itself.
Just glad that the next season starts so soon.
He may have been mad because he failed to become the first person to win twice.:lol:
I'll miss my second season of Survivor, I could not stand Russell to the point I quit watching.
Russell's problem was that he let his puppets KNOW they were being puppets. He forgot/didn't know how to be subtle. Unlike Yul in Survivor China who manipulated people without rubbing their noses in it.
He's not the best player because he played everyone great EXCEPT the other players, and that is PART of the game--to play THEM.
Everyone is the main character in their own story in their head, and when they cast their vote, they're making a vote that fits into THEIR story, not those who're asking for their votes. He couldn't figure that out, and didn't know how to present himself in such a way where they'd want to give him their votes. THAT is the end goal of the game, and he couldn't do it.
He's not the sole survivor. He's the last loser.