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SWiM16 price ?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Installation/MDU Discussion' started by Rickt1962, Dec 15, 2012.

  1. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

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    Hr34 doesn't require a legacy dish.
     
  2. Rickt1962

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    Doesnt it if you plug in 2 HR21's total of 9 tuners ?
     
  3. CCarncross

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    Just to be clear, it has nothing to do with the HR34, it has to do with how the SWM16 works. No one needs a legacy dish for an HR34 unless they need more than 8 tuners which means moving to a SWM16.
     
  4. Stuart Sweet

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    The requirement for a legacy dish is due to the number of tuners, not the presence of the HR34. I don't mean to split hairs but it sounded to me like you thought that any HR34 would require a legacy dish and that's not true.
     
  5. iceman2a

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    Over the past 12 months I have purchased a LOT of DTV eqpt thru Amazon.
    SWM16 w/PI, 4way splitters, 2way splitters, a 21v PI, 5 remotes and a SWM LNB! Is all of this "stollen"? The vendors all seem to be legit, they sell other products! In the past I purchased thru Solid Signal, the sattleliteshop.net, but these prices are sometimes half of what SS charges! Are they selling "grey" or "black" market DTV products? There must be a supply other than tech's providing them! I would love to find out the truth!
     
  6. Stuart Sweet

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    I would love to find out the whole truth, too... because the truth that I do know is disturbing.
     
  7. Rickt1962

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    Ummmm The Truth will not set you free ! Shhhh we just dont talk about the grey area's :grin:
     
  8. Rickt1962

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    Thats what i was saying. Its funny that Directv didnt for see this coming with alot of people needing 9 plus tuners after the HR34 came out when they wanted to keep ther old DVR's also . The 8 tuner SWM LNB wasnt enough and should of been at least 12 or 16 Tuner SWM LNB. Now wer back to 4 wires being fished thru the house to the splitter then back to single wires :nono:
     
  9. longrider

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    The reason you dont see more than 8 tuners on the SWM LNB is that the SWM technology can only handle 8 tuners on one coax. A SWM16 is just two SWM8s jumpered internally, each output can only handle 8 tuners. If there was a SWM16 LNB you would have to run 2 coax into the house to a central splitting location
     
  10. Rickt1962

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    I know ....but
    from wer we came from with all the extra wires for each single LNB's to each bird to Combo LNB's down to a Single Feed horn that does up to 5 birds with one wire. It just seems that Directv didnt think it thru allowing the single wire 8 tuner LNB to be allowed to double its capacity with out running 3 more wires back to the dish :(
     
  11. RD in Fla

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    Agree with this. I self installed a SWM lnb two years ago and then when "upgrading" to an HR34 had to reinstall my old lnb with four outputs. Glad I held onto it.
     
  12. texasbrit

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    The SWM technology is from a company called Entropic. The original Entropic design was for 12 tuners but DirecTv decided to use only eight, not sure why. Probably they did not think many people would end up using more than eight.
    (of course they are really using nine because of the guide data channel)
     
  13. veryoldschool

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    I'm sure DirecTV would love to hear how you could get twice the bandwidth out of the coax and still stay within the range of the receivers.
     
  14. NR4P

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    Not necessarily. I know of many SWM16's outside so there is still a single wire into the house.

    Directv knows the typical number of tuners in homes with and without HR34's. And the HR34/C31 concept does not require more than 5 tuners and that still leaves room for a two tuner DVR and single receiver to be added. That's a lot of TV's to watch.

    So I suspect Directv has the data and can predict very accurately how may systems can live within the 8 tuner limit.
     
  15. veryoldschool

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    For more than 8 tuners, there has to be a second coax.
     
  16. NR4P

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    Yup, I was focused on the four lines.
     
  17. Rickt1962

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    What kind of setup would it be to only use 2 wires from the Dish to get 16 tuners ?
     
  18. longrider

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    You still need 4 wires from the dish but you can mount the SWM16 outdoors right by the dish and then run 2 wires into the house
     
  19. dielray

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    A SWM16 at the dish or an SD 18" system.

    A SWM16 is essentially just two SWM systems. Only 2 lines(1 for each SWM system of 8 channels) are needed from the module on.
     
  20. texasbrit

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    Install a regular slimline LNB at the dish.Put the SWM16 at the dish, connected to the dish via four short cables. Make sure you use connectors designed for outside use. Then run two cables from the dish to the house.
     

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