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Switching to Dish as Directv suggested it ?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Installation/MDU Discussion' started by mountaintop, Oct 3, 2010.

  1. mountaintop

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    That is a great question oldschool. I'm going to check with Directv to see if the installer and the tech that came out are one of the same if so. CANCEL.
    If it's a different group or person I may stay. They want to install a SWM dish and HR24 on Friday if I stay. The whole DVR system sounds like it works. Dish Network doesn't have that for sure. Direct is still $25 more a month with one hr2 and two other HD dvr. I only get the total choice+ 180.
    Dish network is $65 with three HD-DVR's.
     
  2. mountaintop

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    Funny if I sign up as a new customer(Can't I know) the cost would be the same as Dish network with 3 hd-dvr. $65.00. Both have $200 one time costs.
    Now I get one DVR and 2 HD receivers for $93.00 which includes whole house.
    Which is the same as I have now as equipment. They would upgrade it so it all worked with whole house
     
  3. veryoldschool

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    I'm not going to "pee on" Dish.
    SWiM, connected Home networking & Whole Home DVR service, is what I'm using and I wouldn't want to give it up.
    Since you now know what you need, even if this clown comes back, "direct him" to do the right work and it should work out.
    Clearly his training/knowledge isn't what it should be, so if you're going for the upgrade, it seems he shouldn't be getting the work order.
     
  4. mountaintop

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    After two weeks learning Dish's equipment the strong points and the weaks I feel I have a far unstanding of dish's setup and they don't have whole house. This second feed from the 722 and 612's using SD is the closest they have.

    I have been trying for two weeks to try and hang on to directv and it's been hard as you know now. I really like swm dish and single coax now for dual channels on the DVR's. I could install everything except the DISH I feel. I wired the house with r6/u and cat 5 while it was being built.
    I would be with him every step including the roof if I stay.
     
  5. mountaintop

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    Is the whole house sd or HD. I think the FCC has rules to limit to sd but not sure.
     
  6. veryoldschool

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    The whole home service is full HD, as it is simply streaming the recording straight from the drive to the remote receiver.
    With the new TV season, I've got one DVR set to two network stations for their shows and another set to two other networks for their shows. I simply use one to view everything and can have four recording going on at the same time. I did need to go into each to set these up, but once that was done, one of them is simply recording and serving to the other.
     
  7. mountaintop

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    Thanks for telling me that oldshcool. Now you really have me confused staying with directv. Thats exactly what I have been trying to get. I use tivos connected to receivers for three room and use the directv DVD for one. The directv doesn't share to anyone but I can transfer(pain) between tivos. I would like two DVR and be able to share the content. Some nights it take two DVR recording three channels due to conflicts. If I got the swim dish I could record two turners with one coax run. All rooms have one coax except the family room which I ran three. Two to directv HD DVD and the other TiVo.
    I just select different input on the tv and amp for DD sound.
    The family room has both tiro dvr and directv dvr so I jump into the TiVo loop to move programs around.

    Your system works pretty good with whole house dvr.
     
  8. DogLover

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    Whole home is HD.
     
  9. mountaintop

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    I just called the major directv rep in our area and he was VERY much on the defense about being able to convert a at9 to a slimline by removing lnb.
    I asked if the rep that came out would-be the one installing and he told me it coulomb another person. He also told me that they are not allow to change the dishes even if it is a at9. They don't pay him to do that(I believe him but they should,tell about the problem)
    Asked again about the installer coming out and he told me this time it would be someone from the factory this time. Which is fine.
    I'm getting the feeling either way I go I need to learn more to maintain my system.
     
  10. veryoldschool

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    I'm not sure I'd use this "major DirecTV rep", as he/she doesn't seem that knowledgeable.
    You can't change the LNB on the AT-9, as this model has been discontinued for several years now.
    The Slimline AU-9 is what is currently used and this dish can have the LNB changed and also upgraded to SWiM.
    It's a shame some installers end up doing such a poor job that the customer ends up suffering. When you get a system installed well, it doesn't require much babysitting.
     
  11. HoTat2

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    And FWIW, no this rep is dead wrong if he thinks you may "convert" the LNB assembly on an AT-9 to a SlimLine-3 LNB by simply removing the 110/119 sidecar unit.

    The reason being that a SL-3 LNB is internally modified to supply the 101 transponder group to the receiver to permit access to channel guide data when viewing a channel on either the 99 or 103 satellite position.

    The LNB used on an AT-9 does not operate this way, but like the SlimLine-5 uses the original switching arrangement of supplying the 110/119 transponder set which carries guide data mirrored from 101 along with the 103 transponders when viewing a channel on 103.

    So if the AT-9's 110/119 sidecar is removed then not only is there now no 119 signals for access to guide data when watching a channel on the 103 satellite, but even if there were it wouldn't matter because with the receiver set for a SL-3 LNB its therefore looking for guide data on certain assigned transponders at 101.

    Thus the 920 error message, for no access to guide data.
     
  12. veryoldschool

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    While you're on the right track, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here [bold].
    If you're trying to say if the receiver is set to the SL3 and is connected to the AT-9, it's not going to update the guide data when tuned to the 103 SAT, "well" yes & no, as if the LOS to the 119 is good, then the receiver won't know the difference between the guide coming from 119 or 101, as it's simply the signal there at the right frequency for the network tuner to receive. Disconnected the 119 LNB isn't going to do any good as you have pointed out, because when on 103, there is no guide data [Ku] there. None of this has anything to do with the receiver's setting though, and everything to do with how the SL3 is hardwired to keep the 101 [Ku band] being fed to the receiver all the time.
     
  13. HoTat2

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    Now that part I admittedly wasn't totally sure, so perhaps shouldn't have posted it. But I thought the assigned transponder frequencies DirecTV would be using to transmit guide data on 101 would be different than those used on 119. So if a receiver was set to a SL-3 LNB but was receiving the 119 transponder group instead would cause the network tuner be looking at the wrong transponders for guide info.

    But does the network tuner actively search either block of the 101 or 119 transponders it receives for the guide data, or automatically tunes to preassigned transponders in each block it thinks it receiving?
     
  14. veryoldschool

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    The third [network] tuner is a narrow band tuner that I believe is fixed. I suspect it is tuned to the 976 MHz SWiM channel that the guide is on for SWiM. I think this simply means the first odd/even TPs on both SATs are carrying the guide data.
    The SL3 simply doesn't switch from the 101, when it does for 103, since there is no 119 that would on the SL5.
    More than likely DirecTV has taken the simplest approach. First there was only 101, so two TPs [odd/even] carried the data. Then they added the "B SAT" [119] and because of the tone being used for switching, they had to map the guide data over to 119 on the same frequencies.
    Add in the Ka and 99/101 & 103/119, which still was the same.
    Now none of the receivers have ever needed to change anything from their "old days", so changing the dish setup in the receiver doesn't do anything to change how the guide data come in. "easy peasy".
    "The change" comes in the SL3, which doesn't care [hard wired] what the tune voltage/tone is because it is always feeding the Ku from 101.
     

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