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Discussion in 'Tech Talk - Gadgets, Gizmos and Technology' started by Rich, Apr 15, 2011.

  1. Apr 28, 2011 #701 of 2347
    Shades228

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    What else can't you do on Linux that you can on the other operating systems?

    Those companies have a jump because they spend money to make sure they stay in strong market positions. They also make innovative and proprietary software because it makes them money. This goes against an open model, but is good for people as well.

    An open model is better in theory but not in application for general consumers unfortunately.

    Android so far is the first commercial success of an open source OS. Whether it remains that way is to be seen.
     
  2. Apr 28, 2011 #702 of 2347
    AttiTech

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    What I'm hoping for - Replacing My Win7 desktop with iMac, get my wife her Macbook Pro, get me a nifty Linux Laptop or maybe try out the Crome laptop
     
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    AttiTech

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    Stewart Vernon

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    That was my point, essentially...

    Most consumers want ease of installation and use and a plethora of apps all ready to be ran.

    The people that want open-architecture are not the masses...

    Apple and Microsoft (in different ways) do a lot of stuff for you so that a 3rd party developer can do some things easier IF they play by Apple and Microsoft's rules. Similarly, you get an easier to use device as a consumer BUT that comes with some restrictions on how it can be customized and used.

    You really can't have it both ways.

    So... my point was to say that saying something is "closed" as a negative doesn't jive with how consumers actually choose most of their tech products.

    IF open-architecture was the high priority, then Linux would be selling like gangbusters.

    Yeah, I know companies would have a harder time profiting by Linux development... but consumers could develop their own stuff... which is what a lot of people claim they want.... but then when they get it (Linux) they complain that it is too hard to do what they want.

    So I've never viewed Apple as being closed or that IF they are it was a negative. Apple isn't for everyone... but for the people that like it, it serves them well.
     
  6. Apr 29, 2011 #706 of 2347
    bobukcat

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    I think what many people want is a MORE open operating system than Apple. They turned a lot of people off not just by refusing to allow Flash but when they wouldn't allow other applications like 3rd party browsers, Google Voice or Chat, etc.

    I think the other thing working in Android's favor at this time is that the nerds love it for it's hack-ability and when non-nerd friends and family go to buy a phone they ask the nerds for a recommendation and they naturally recommend what they like (I know it happens with me all the time - although I still tell people it's almost impossible to go wrong buying an iPhone). It also gives users a LOT more options for hardware to choose from - with the iPhone you have one choice (okay maybe two). Then of course you also have carrier restrictions on iOS as well.
     
  7. Apr 29, 2011 #707 of 2347
    AttiTech

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    I prefer the Droid over an iPhone, but, if given the oppurtunity, I would love to get my hands on an iPhone 3GS. Friend of mine hacked his 3GS and uses it with T-Mobile and it has Froyo on it. It's not as smooth as a Droid device would be, but it's close.
     
  8. Apr 29, 2011 #708 of 2347
    hdtvfan0001

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    I agree that characterizing that "most people" wanting an open architecture is an unknown,...but if given the choice...having the option of not being limited to one manufacturer's view of what should/shouldn't be supported is what drives competition. It also drives choices for consumers.

    This played out with the iPhone. Many apps/options are good...but when you restrict common applications like Flash on tablets, you limit access to the web - its more common that some will admit. Limits tend to drive people to alternatives.
     
  9. Apr 29, 2011 #709 of 2347
    FHSPSU67

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    Just pre-ordered an ASUS 32GB Transformer and docking station/keyboard from J&R. No delivery estimate yet, but I've been very pleased with J&R in the past, and Amazon is only accepting orders via Target. I'm in the queue:)
     
  10. Apr 29, 2011 #710 of 2347
    AttiTech

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    Good luck! Let us know what you really think whenever it arrives.
     
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    FHSPSU67

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    Thanks, I will definitely do that:)
     
  12. Apr 29, 2011 #712 of 2347
    Laxguy

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    Flash used for plain ole video, most tech savvy folk will agree, (and some not) is a waste of CPU cycles and hence battery life.

    But what sites are good and rely solely on Flash? Haven't most of them been re-written in HTML5 or other languages? I am sure there are some, but perhaps those who insist on Flash as a deal breaker could give out a handful of URLs.
     
  13. Apr 29, 2011 #713 of 2347
    Chris Blount

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    Guys, lets please not go down this road again. It was discussed at nauseum earlier in this thread.
     
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    Stewart Vernon

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    There are limits and there are LIMITS.

    My car, for example, only runs on one kind of fuel... and it cannot drive on just any surface. It also cannot just accept any accessory or add-on without, in some cases, performing major modifications to the existing hardware.

    I also have no direct access to the on-board computer/diagnostics... so I can't program it to do what I want. I'm limited to what the car manufacturer thought would be the best for my car to perform.

    The iPhone used to be limited to AT&T and now has them + Verizon. Ok, so that is a limitation. BUT, you can choose that limit before going in... IF you are in an area served only by one of those (or at least reliably only by them) then you have no choice already... IF you happen to like AT&T or Verizon, then it isn't a limit for you either.

    Technically speaking... the Wifi capability of an iPhone (or any smartphone) is limited because it only works whenever you are in range of Wifi. So... if you have Wifi at home but nobody else around you has it... then you can't use Wifi much. Also, even when out, there is no guarantee you will find free-to-access Wifi... again, these are limitations.

    Buying a PC or a Mac limits some choices with software and hardware that only works (or is optimized) for one O/S or the other. The use of that computer is also limited by your own inherent ability to learn how to operate it!

    So... when talking about limits... I would like to see more recognition of how strong those limitations are.

    I can't use my iPhone to drive nails in an emergency... but then I didn't expect it to do that! It's a limit that never comes up for me.

    Flash... Honestly, Flash has become over-used at times in scenarios where it is of little or no value. Flash-video, for example, seems like a waste of Flash.

    Web sites that have their menu/functional design in Flash typically have an alternative way to view their site because they want the most viewers they can get... and some folk just don't like a Web site that is too busy-looking even if they can run Flash.

    It's not like Apple keeps it secret that they don't support Flash on their mobile devices, so you can choose your device based on that too.

    At least so far, the trend has been up for Apple... so whatever they are doing is working for them and their customers... Also, the market is big enough that there are other devices available to fill other customers' needs.
     
  15. Apr 29, 2011 #715 of 2347
    Rich

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    Starting to have problems with the Acer. It won't pick up my router (a Cisco Systems N router) unless I'm nearly on top of the router. My three laptops have no problem connecting from the same places that the Acer won't.

    Another thing that keeps happening is when I press the Power button to turn it on, sometimes it comes right up, which it shouldn't do, and then freezes up and I have to hit the Power button again and then it goes thru the proper sequence to start up.

    I fully expect to bring this back, but I'll keep playing with it until Monday. Looks like the $150 savings over the Xoom wasn't worth it.

    Rich
     
  16. Apr 29, 2011 #716 of 2347
    raott

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    The Acer seems to be the stepchild even though on paper it is a solid unit.

    The Asus sold out very quick and the Asus forums are fairly well populated compared to the Acer (Acer doesn't even have it's own forum on androidcentral).

    I think when the Asus becomes more readily available I will get one to compare with my Ipad2. If the Asus is small enough that I can hide it from my wife, I'll keep it and have both.:grin:
     
  17. Apr 29, 2011 #717 of 2347
    Steve

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    For the reasons I gave here, the forthcoming Galaxy Tab 10.1 may be the one to wait for in the Honeycomb space. Just my .02.
     
  18. Apr 29, 2011 #718 of 2347
    raott

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    It may be, the info on it is very hard to come by right now. There is conflictin info on whether it has an SD card. Also conflicting info on whether it has a Tegra dual core.
     
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    Shades228

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    Steve

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    My understanding is it does not have a card slot, which is probably how they can make it as thin as the iPad2. Based on my own experience with even the iPad2 beginning to feel "heavy" after prolonged use, reducing weight and thickness is the right design approach for these gadgets, IMHO.

    Here are the specs from Samsung's site: http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxytab/10.1v/specification.html
     

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