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Tech Forum Summary - November 10th, 2008

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by James Long, Nov 10, 2008.

  1. puckwithahalo

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    You should be able to move from 211 to 211, however, you cannot go from a 211/211k to a 622/722/612 or vice versa.
     
  2. festivus

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    I'm stuck now with two 622s. Seems that I'm now missing out on a lot of new functionality. What are the options in upgrading from 622 to a 722k? I'm really interested in dual OTA tuning since I don't get HD locals in my market.
     
  3. bnewt

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    Would you have to have 2 ota feeds to connect to both tuners?
     
  4. Aransay

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    a question did they say tahy te nwe lernign cotnrol woduel interfer with 301
    sorery uian ehr taht aprt correctly oomcuh nosie at home
     
  5. James Long

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    No. The tuner has one input (as well as an output for channel 3/4 for TV1).
     
  6. James Long

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    The remote that was interfering with the 301 was the remote for the DTVPal ATSC tuner that DISH is selling to convert old TVs to be able to receive digital signals.

    The learning remote should work with any receiver ... the "settings save" option would only work with a 722k or 222k (when software is released).
     
  7. butters

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    I believe they were referring to the remote that the TR-40 box uses interfering with the 301 receiver.

    Edit: James beat me to it!
     
  8. jacmyoung

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    I am very confused by several statements on the 211s.

    In today's press release, it said after the EHD activation, the 211 will have "the ability to play back a stored program while recording or watching another."

    And on the Chat I quote: "watch one program while you record another."

    I thought the 211 is a single tuner receiver, but it appears after the EHD activation it will have two-tuner capability.

    Am I close?

    How is "play back a stored program while...watching another" possible?
     
  9. Ron Barry

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    Playback from a recorded show does not require a tuner. My guess is what they were trying to say is you cannot watch a live program while one is being recorded, but you can watch a previously recorded show while you are recording one.

    Thanks James for the the transcript. Nice to see they said 1TB ok.
     
  10. P Smith

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    Second tuner will not require for play/record from/to EHD here.
     
  11. jeffdb27

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    Why have they gone back to the Ch 3/4 output for TV1? That is how the 625 outputs TV1. The 622/722 handle it much better for multiple TV distribution. I hope this isn't a replacement receiver, but just an option. If it is, I guess I'll have to get a 722 soon. Currently I have a 622 and 625.

    I posted some place how it would be nice if they had TV1 and TV2 outputs reflect each tuner even when the receiver is in single mode. instead of having both show what's on the main TV. This would give TV2 access to both tuners, as well as retain TV1's ability to PIP and SWAP between tuners. A 3rd modulated channel would be even better for the OTA tuner, so all could be accessed from TV2, even if TV1 was in charge of what was being tuned.

    Jeff
     
  12. greenhut

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    I am also interested in how many streams the 722k will be able to simultaneously handle. The current 722 can of course record 3 HD streams while playing back a separate fourth. The extra OTA tuner in the 722k theoretically means it could handle 4 simultaneous recording streams. I have to think we are close to limitations of a single spindle (throughput or seek time related). I wonder if we will ever get to the point where having an EHD will mean more than the "standard" number of streams are supported.
     
  13. P Smith

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    Nope, if you dig little more you will find in DishLinux: cashing algos, big buffers in RAM, big chunks on the disk, etc.
     
  14. bnewt

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    Would this pass thru the ota signal to the tv's tuner? I would like to be able to record something but still be able to use the tv's tuner to watch something else.
     
  15. phrelin

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    Ok. I watched it. It's the first time I watched a Tech Forum. It just felt like a one hour Echostar Infomercial shown on Dish Network describing all the fun new toys being released just in time for Christmas.:(

    Do they usually not have tech types reviewing technological problems like those Echostar Engineering is working on to make the existing ViP DVR's work correctly? Do they usually not offer tech discussion about the difficulties associated with changes like conversion the Eastern Arc (which, incidentally, will result in increasing Echostar sales of new equipment paid for by Dish Network subscribers)?

    But I like toys too, like the Slingbox which might be on my Christmas list. I couldn't help but notice that shows offered on slingbox.com appeared to be the NBCU/Fox offering from their jointly owned web site Hulu.com, the same ones commercially offered through many other sites. Of course, it also feeds YouTube video which apparently will be offering MGM content and new content produced by Fremantle (the producer of the varous Idol programs).

    I can't help but wonder why the ViP's don't have a browser accessing slingbox.com since it would generate ad revenue for Echostar.

    A couple of other observations.

    Reference was made several times to "the purchase of" or "buy" when discussing the OTA module. The implication is that it isn't part of the lease.

    The OTA module outputs to channels 3/4 but it wasn't clear whether the 722k satellite programming RF output would continue to be software selectable UHF channels.

    Glad the tech guys clarified that the 1080p feature probably won't work on your TV purchased before December 2007. Reinforces my perception that the Turbo promo was a major blunder since in the Summer of 2008 most of the folks who thought they had a 1080p TV most certainly bought them before December 2007.

    Lastly, I'm hopeful some of you more technically savvy members here can give me a better understanding of the OTA potential of this new dual tuner OTA system. I'm sure I'm just totally out of the loop on OTA these days and maybe even just too green with envy for those who can get OTA. But...

    I thought that in many areas much of the digital OTA is shifting to UHF frequencies. Don't UHF channels require closer proximity to the broadcast antenna than VHF? Further, I'm under the impression that the digital signals are not as "bouncy forgiving" as an analog VHS signal. What I thought is that the shift to digital would represent geographically smaller OTA markets and even in the OTA reception area more difficult reception problems for many people. Do I have this all wrong?
     
  16. scooper

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    The OTA DTV frequency discussion is covered elsewhere on the net in great detail -
    suffice to say -
    #1 - the DTV channels will be channels 2-51, inclusive, in their current frequency assignments. This means 2-6 ARE available (but not really desireable if you do some further reading).
    #2 - there are rules out about what stations can or cannot do, AND the FCC must approve anything that a station wants to do. For the most part, since most stations are staffed with competent people - the FCC part is usually a rubber stamp, although they do review all the applications.
     
  17. BobaBird

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    I am not a very tech savy guy (at least in regard to this stuff). However, I went from barely getting receiption with my bunny ears when only SD was available, to getting crystal clear reception with HD. The picture is so beautiful with HD OTA that I sometimes watch the OTA channels instead of the DishNet locals.
     
  19. Ron Barry

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    No they don't normally go over technical issues like bugs that are effecting their receivers as most of the audience would not have a clue as to what they are talking about. We here are 100% more aware of the issues surrounding the receivers than 99% of the viewing audience (My Guess). Heck I would even be as bold as to say that I am 100% more aware of the D* receivers issues than 99% of the D* subs just be osmosis of being on this site. Bottom line is that most people are not aware of issue and most of the issues we catch go unnoticed by the average E* sub.

    The Tech chats are not as technical as people here would like but for the average sub they are more than technical enough. However, from time to time there is a good tech chat where they dig deeper or provide some cool technical insight. Definitely a hit and miss.

    As for going over major bugs affecting the customer base... Ain't going to happen.. Just too many legal implications and I could see it creating more confusion than the value it might add. I remember years ago being forced to stop calling report of bugs "Bug Reports". Instead we were told to call them discrepancies.
     
  20. phrelin

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    Hmmm. From Dictionary.com:

    Bug: Informal. A defect or imperfection, as in a mechanical device, computer program, or plan; glitch.
    Discrepancy: Divergence or disagreement, as between facts or claims.

    So the problems are a disagreement between claims not an imperfection needing to be fixed. Got it.:rolleyes:
     

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