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Technical article on DECA

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Connected Home' started by MyDogHasFleas, Apr 20, 2010.

  1. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    "My reference" was from long before that website came up.
    Movies/PPV/VOD come from both sources, so it's easy to see how both terms would get used. Some is pushed to the DVRs over the SAT, while others need to be downloaded over the internet.
     
  2. Richierich

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    Directv started off with MRV then realized that in the Future people would want a Whole Home Entertainment System instead of having to build it like we are doing, piece by piece so they launched a Futuristic Direction to create a System that would serve the Whole House or Home and all of the family members withing.

    I saw a Prototype of this System many years ago at Disney World in Orlando. So now they are calling the System now as MRV as being DVRs and Receivers talking to each other and transferring their media to each other and then the Next Generation is a Smart DVR Host and Clients that can talk to each other and transfer media back and forth without the general populus having to figure out how to make it happen.

    That is what the HMC30 is, a Home Media Distribution System (or Center) distributing Media to it's Clients as they demand it.
     
  3. Getteau

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    I have 5 DVR's and will soon have a 6th. It's not uncommon for me to see 5-6 active recordings in the list at the same time. The most I ever saw was 8, but 5-6 is pretty typical at my house. If you have a house with young kids, you know what I mean. Most kids shows are in a constant loop and with 2 kids DVR's, the first couple of pages in my UPL are quickly overrun by kids shows.

    If DTV is going to do the whole "central DVR" with slave receivers, they are going to have to increase the tuners and also increase the number of outbound streams.
     
  4. NR4P

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    It really comes down to economics. For what you desire, isn't needed by most families. Assume your needs are in the 10% or even 20% of the general population range.

    Directv saves a boatload of money with a single DVR feeding all the client receivers covering most of their customers. This does away with what I have, multiple DVR's that end up recording the same shows at the same time (sometimes) that Directv had to almost give away at one time. With 2 year contracts they never captured the true cost of multiple DVR's in a home within a 2 year period. That sub has to stay 4-5 years to really be profitable. Now they can make new subscriber offers with one DVR and x receivers. And they can counter Dish and uverse with MRV.

    They can still offer you what you want with additional DVR's. But I suspect, the additional DVR's will come at a hefty cost for new installs, more than they were before.

    Sure as technology advances, the four tuner etc models will come along but they have a pretty powerful offering with the 24 series and backwards compatibility to most of the 2x series.
     
  5. Richierich

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    +1. But don't forget about Recording Capacity!!!

    How many times do the kids want to watch over and over again "The Lion King" or "Ice Age" or whatever. You need an Option to add a larger drive or buy one from the gitgo. I never see Directv offer any Options such as a Larger Drive or what Model DVR would you like.

    Their Customer Care sucks as in "You Will Take What We Give You Because We Know What Is Best For You!!!".
     
  6. BudShark

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    And you can't be serious about you being a normal customer.

    No one is taking anything away from you. You want to have 10 HR24s? Go for it. You want 10 HMC30s? Go for it.

    It doesn't change what DirecTVs intention and direction is. That is 1 DVR in a standard install - using MRV to create a Whole Home DVR system. In May, that DVR is the HR24. Later this year, that DVR may include something like the HMC30.

    In terms of Unified Playlist... its been repeated fairly steadily that ship sailed and we are unlikely to see it again. Multi-tuner DVRs with TB+ recording capacity makes the selectable playlist outdated and for all intents and purposes pointless. DirecTV will have a different way to sort playlists.
     
  7. tkrandall

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    While true, I don't blame the agents, as they are largely handcuffed; rather I blame the architects (imported during the newscorp days??) of their business model that thought it was a good idea to have an exclusively leased equipment model... and not only that but one without model selectability or even predictabilty, and one without a robust companion equipment ownership program option. I not sure how that is suposed to endear their customers.
     
  8. Richierich

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    I am not blaming the Agents but the Senior Level Managers who dreamed up their architecture and put it into their Policy. If you truly care about your customers then give them choices because everyone household needs differ as well as their wallets.
     
  9. Richierich

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    Well the DLB Ship sailed but people kept complaining and they brought it into fruition and now we have Double Play.

    Does a Man who has 2, 3, or 4 kids in his family want to plow thru pages and pages of his kid's movies, etc. to try and find what he wants to watch???

    I don't think so. So we do need a way to Sort or Filter out those Recordings that I don't want to see if you want MRV or Whole House Media Servers to work functionally and practically!!!
     
  10. BudShark

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    I agree... we need a way to filter.

    But if said man has an HMC30 or an upgraded 2TB HR24... He'd still have pages and pages.
    If he bought 2 HR24s, and upgraded them, he'd now have 2 locations to remember which has what - go there, and likely still have pages and pages.

    It became pretty apparent pretty quickly that selecting a DVR was not going to be the most efficient way.

    You are correct about DLB except for one thing. We had selectable playlists. It was in the code. It worked. DirecTV took it out with intent, and stated it wasn't coming back because it wasn't the long term solution.
     
  11. Richierich

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    I have one of my 2 TB DVRs designated for Sports. Another one for General Entertainment, etc. and so on and so forth. I select which DVR I want to watch for whatever purpose and then Select Local to only see those recordings and I have two downstairs so if I want to watch General stuff I watch the other one or then view the Playlist for everything and watch something from upstairs.

    However, a Selectable Unified Play List would work and I don't understand what the problem was and I talked to a Senior Directv Manager at CES at the Entropic Booth who was in charge of DVR Development and he listened to what I said and stated that he would review it and probably go that direction as he could understand how alot of customers would need it.

    So it could happen, so never give up on what you want to make happen!!!
     
  12. BudShark

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    I didn't say I was giving up. I stated its not the ultimate solution as DVRs get larger and larger and move to centralize servers with multi-tuners. It would afford the average customer nothing.

    I also stated its different than DLB or anything else. It WAS in there when MRV between HRs first appeared. They even toyed around with remembering what the last playlist you were looking at was, defaulting to something else, and allowing quick selection. It wasn't a mistake, it was a feature/product. And then they pulled it out and it hasn't come back for over a year.

    I get you see the benefit, a lot of people do. But it clearly can't be the long term solution when you have a server, with 4+ tuners, recording all your shows. The UPL and selectable playlist would show the exact same thing. Thats all I'm saying.

    Continue to hope it comes back - it doesn't bother me either way. But I think the evidence is clear it won't be, and I think we need to accept/acknowledge that it would provide little to no benefit to the majority of customers who will likely have 1 DVR.
     
  13. tkrandall

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    I'm not sure that 1 DVR with 2 tuners serves the needs of most customers. A lot of customers? Yes. Most? Not so sure about that.
     
  14. veryoldschool

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    Whether it is "most" or not,
    DirecTV's "normal package" is 1 DVR + 3 receivers, so this seems to suggest what the demographics are.
     
  15. DogLover

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    So are you saying that you think there is more than 50% of DirecTV customers with more than 1 DVR? I really don't know what the actually numbers are, but that seems like a stretch to me.
     
  16. tkrandall

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    I guess I am indeed pretty weird then.... :) I have 3 (an HR20 and 2 circa 2003/2004 DirecTIVOs)
     
  17. BudShark

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    I have 4 HRs in my house. I've never had "regular" receivers with DirecTV. Always DVRs.

    Doesn't make me weird. It does make me the exception to DirecTVs customer base. I know 20+ people who have DirecTV. I'm the only one with more than 1 DVR. I know 10+ people with Dish... only 2 of them have more than 1 DVR. I know a good number of people with Comcast... only 1 of them even has a DVR.

    Here's one report with some side comments.
    http://www.trefis.com/articles/1288...vr-penetration-to-reach-75-by-2016/2010-03-10

    Its a Dish report, but references 60% DVR penetration for DirecTV in 2009. Don't know their source. But even if 50% of households with DVRs have multiple DVRs (which would be a very very high %) that still means only 30% of DirecTV customers have multiple DVRs. Considering the upcharge was $100-$300 for each additional DVR - I'd guess a large percentage of those would jump at a lower cost Whole Home solution.

    We are all guessing... but what we do know - DirecTV wants to upsell people to HD and DVR. They want to lower churn. They want to lower maintenance costs. And DVRs cost more to maintain (hard drives). It stands pretty clear their intent is to put 1 DVR in each house. In fact, their current model means they LOSE money when they put 2+ DVRs in a house (they receive no further monthly income when you have 2+ DVRs).

    All signs point to 1 DVR/house as standard/desired package. Will I get rid of mine? Probably not. I'd like to have a HMC30 with HR24s as clients. That to me would be my personal preference. But the average customer? Nope... 1 HMC30/HR24 and standard clients everywhere else.
     
  18. WholeHomeDVR

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    Is "Whole Home DVR" a MOCA term
    And "Multi-Room Viewing" a DECA term?

    What does RVU Mean?

    Maybe we can ask him...
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  19. Grentz

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    DECA is just DirecTV's version of MoCA (same tech, different frequency).

    RVU is an alliance that you can see more on here:

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  20. BudShark

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    Please pull that link. Bad form to post a guys name/address/phone (even if he put it there himself, don't help the rest of the rabid fans/trolls here find it).
     

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