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Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Earl Bonovich, Oct 22, 2007.

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  1. slaz55

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  2. smiddy

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    Earl, do you know if they intend to go raid 5 or 10? I didn't see it on the site.
     
  3. BillPear

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    Why is it Black and not a matching Silver as most HR20's are?:confused:
     
  4. Earl Bonovich

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    1) The reports of lost recordings: There are at least three reasons why...
    a) The eSATA is not reconnecting to the system after the restart... and thus shutdown everything again, (including the eSATA)... get's it back. To date, I haven't had that problem with the TenBox... all restarts (Due to software updates), have not resulted in any loss of the eSATA or the recordings

    b) There is a hard/soft issue with the contents on the drive, and the HR20 attempts to recover from the error... if not... it deletes the bad programs, and in the worst case... it formats the drive.... This will happen regardless if it is internal or external; TenBox or Another

    c) Something very bad has gone on with the software update, and it formats the drive.... I haven't seen a true case of that (provable), since '06


    2) Recordings on eSATA will always be linked to the box they were recorded on. That is a software rule of the HR20, has nothing to do with the type of eSATA
     
  5. Carl Spock

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    I've got a question.

    Since the recordings are linked to the box, what if your box goes down? I assume the hard drive in the HR20 is still spinning merrily away even though it isn't being used. What if it fails? Would the HR20 continue to operate with a broken internal hard drive and the Tenbox? If not, is there any way to recover or relink the Tenbox to the replacement HR20?
     
  6. Earl Bonovich

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    Yes... once the HR20 sees an eSATA... it basically stops paying attention to the internal drive... so even if it went down... you wouldn't know until you tried to use the system without the eSATA.

    Right now... no there is no way to relink ANY eSATA box to a replacement/new/other HR20 (that is a software implementation on the HR20)
     
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    I want one bad, but not at those prices or even close to that! Just way overpriced.

    I wish D* would let an "authorized" place handle internal upgrades on leased boxes. I would rather upgrade internally than external. I like my seagate, but this would be much better looking.
     
  8. Carl Spock

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    Thank you, Earl. That removes my major objection to buying a Tenbox. I'll wait 90 days to make sure my HR20-700 doesn't go down. If it lasts 90 days, odds on the solid state part of it will continue to work for years. I'm only worried about the hard drive. I'd be willing to take my chances on the rest of it lasting for a while.

    And Earl, as a new poster here, let me give you my personal regards for all your good work. Your dedication to this community is measureless. Your patience is even greater. You have my appreciation and love.

    - Gregg
     
  9. jjohns

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    WHOA! I just found the price. W-a-y too much.
     
  10. P Smith

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  11. Earl Bonovich

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    Not to also add the increased risk of failure...

    2x1tb to get to 2tb has a lower risk of failure then 4x500 to get to 2TB

    As with RAID 0, one drives goes bad.. you lose the contents of all of them.
     
  12. jjohns

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    You could "lease" 4 HR20's for that price!
     
  13. SFNSXguy

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    As the owner of a Seagate "Barracuda" 750g eSATA (in an Antec MX-1 enclosure that has a fan) that has been completely wiped by a faulty HR20-100, I think the eSATA is a cost-effective alternative. Mine runs cool and silent, and now that the bad HR20 has been replaced everything works again.
    IMHO the HR20s are the weak link in this chain -- poorly designed, badly built with REALLY crummy software until just recently -- not the eSATA drive.

    Bottom line: do whichever eSATA sollution you can afford -- all are better than the mediocre storage available in a stock HR20.
     
  14. jjohns

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    What about the over-the-air tuners? Do they still work from the HR20 box?
     
  15. Earl Bonovich

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    Yes, they would...

    The OTA has nothing to do with where you store the data.
     
  16. jjohns

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    From its web site, "three most common problems of data storage boxes for this particular application"
    •excessive heating with continuous use that may result in failure and loss of programming
    •excessive noise coming from the unit
    •aesthetics

    Heat - can't feel it. Leased, D* replaces if goes bad.
    Noise - can't hear it, hear tv
    Looks - don't look at it, look at tv.

    I'll keep my grand.
     
  17. Earl Bonovich

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    -) They are referring to "heat" with another type of eSATA
    -) What happens when you install it in a room or spot where people sleep... or you are not watching TV?
    -) What happens when you intall it in a room or spot where people will see it when the TV isn't on?

    Again... the TenBox isn't for everyone... nor is it targeted at everyone.
    It is what it is.
     
  18. jjohns

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    I agree. It is what it is.
     
  19. Rich

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    I'm going to assume you are talking about the programs on the eSATA. The eSATAs will work on other HR20s, just won't allow the programs recorded by another HR20 to play. All other functions work and you can record from the new HR20.

    I wanted more tuners and have four HR20s hooked up to four Free Agent Pro 750s. I paid around $1100 for the FAPs and will be returning them next summer as I get them emptied and replacing them with larger eSATAs.

    My hookup costs less and has eight tuners and a little more storage space. I have been using the FAPs for months without a problem. I am beginning to think that 3 setups will be enough to get the prime time schedule (we don't record every series, and most of the new shows I've seen so far are not worth recording) recordings that we want. And plenty of movies.

    Like Earl, I have no qualms about spending lots of money on my AV systems. The cons I see with the TenBox are:

    You can only use two tuners at a time.

    The two grand it costs will be gone next summer, while my $1100 investment in FAPs will be put toward larger HDs

    Still, I have to admit, my heart filled with lust when I read Earl's original post on the TenBox.
     
  20. Earl Bonovich

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    No eSATA solution is going to change that.

    Unless someone comes up with some SAN type solution that allows multiple eSATA connections.... and if you think the TenBox was expensive.....
     
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