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Tenbox First Look Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Stuart Sweet, Oct 7, 2007.

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  1. Oct 7, 2007 #1 of 17
    Stuart Sweet

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    This is the companion thread for Earl's excellent review of the TenBox e-SATA solution.

    When the Tenbox was first announced, there was a lot of discussion about it, and it can continue here.

    Thanks to Earl Bonovich for another excellent DBSTalk First Look!
     
  2. Oct 7, 2007 #2 of 17
    Stuart Sweet

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    I think that there's a real market for a consumer-oriented, home-theater format e-SATA solution, and the TenBox folks deserve credit for advancing the state of the art!
     
  3. Oct 7, 2007 #3 of 17
    Greg Alsobrook

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    No tenbox for me yet... I'll have to get a home equity loan first...
     
  4. Oct 7, 2007 #4 of 17
    Coffey77

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    Something like this is definately going to be desired by many and I hope this is the beginning of a competitive market for these types of devices. The cost won't hook many at this time but I'm hoping competition drives prices down as something like this should be here to stay and only get better.
     
  5. Oct 7, 2007 #5 of 17
    bonscott87

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    I like it, I really do. But $1200 is just way too much money for my budget.
     
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    TheRatPatrol

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    Yeah, cool concept and all, but way overpriced for whats inside. You can buy a new plasma for that much.
     
  7. Oct 8, 2007 #7 of 17
    erp2863

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    I have a question regarding the mirror-drive option. Earl says when you replace a drive it will re-build the drive automatically. Does it re-build on its own, or does it need to be hooked up to a PC?

    If it can do it on its own, especially without any interface to the user, this would certainly explain the high cost of the unit.
     
  8. Oct 8, 2007 #8 of 17
    cbyrd

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    Assuming this box has some sort or raid controller bulit in, then it will rebuild automatically. That's what RAID does. This has my curiosity up though...I wonder how hard it would be to build a box that held a few drives and an off the shelf RAID card, and just enought of an OS to throw the controller into raid 1 (mirror) mode and present it. I'm guessing nowhere near $1200. Probably closer to $400 for the prototype....of course if we could do this then we'd want to try raid 5 :)
     
  9. Oct 8, 2007 #9 of 17
    erp2863

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    Try to find a stand-alone RAID card (one that doesn't require a motherboard) that has the processing power and memory to re-build a damaged array on its own. I bet you won't find one for $400.

    Just because the drives are setup as a RAID array, doesn't mean the controller automatically rebuilds it. Again, I understand that this is possible, but not cheap like some of you think it is.
     
  10. spartanstew

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    I agree somewhat. The "average" user of D*, probably doesn't need anything more than the stock HR20. I have several friends and relatives that have DVR's and none of them would ever consider a larger HD. Usually when I visit their houses, they've got a few shows on the drive (less than 10 almost always), but they're usually never more than 1 week behind and only have 10-15 shows they record every week.

    So, the people that want a larger drive are generally members of this forum (or similar type of people). That type of person realizes that they can connect their own drive for much cheaper. If they don't care about cost, or they want something that looks better they can always go to weaknees and get an HR20 that already has a larger drive in it.

    The all-inclusive HR20 at weaknees is $1000 for a unit with one terabyte.
    The same size drive at tenbox is $1500.

    Why would you want to spend $500 more and have an additional box in your set-up?
     
  11. sbl

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    Sure you will. In fact, one can buy an entire, self-contained two-disk RAID NAS box for $279 from Newegg (Thecus N2100) - I have one of these. I'd guess the wholesale price for the necessary components to be well under $200.
     
  12. Stuart Sweet

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    How do you like the Thecus N2100? Could you tell us more about it?
     
  13. bwaldron

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    Yep, it looks nice -- but wildly overpriced. I'm not cheap, but I'll pass at the current pricing level.
     
  14. personman

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    I think $600 would be a more realistic price. I'm not saying that the product isn't nice or anything; But anyone can go out and pay $300 for 1TB or HD space. Maybe another $300 for a metal box with fans and a RAID controller.
     
  15. erp2863

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    Since when does a self-contained, independent raid controller mean you have to connect the box to a PC to login to the admin software to initiate the rebuild? And the Thecus box doesn't have ESATA.

    See page 77 of the manual...
    http://www.thecus.com/download/manual/N2100 UM EN.pdf

    This is one of the few I could find that has ESATA that is truly independent. So at a minimum if you want 750gb of RAID1 storage you'd be looking at ~$750 and this would be for a box that does not aesthetically fit in with your other A/V equipment.

    http://cooldrives.com/usb2-sata-mini-raid-system-sata-raid.html
     
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