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The 50 series link debate

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by Slyster, Oct 22, 2007.

The 50 series link limit:

  1. Yes! - 50 series links are enough for me.

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  2. No way - 50 series links are NOT enough for me.

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  1. Sirshagg

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    Why should you have to remember to add the shows back to the prioritizer when they come back in season.
     
  2. tonyd79

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    This poll as currently worded is useless.

    Strictly, I would vote that all is well because I have 3 DVRs in the living room (1 HR20, 1 HR10 and 1 SA8300) and one in the bedroom (HR20) so I can manage the programming myself.

    But should it be bigger than 50? If it were worded that way, I would vote that it should.

    Just because I am not hitting a limit doesn't mean I think the limit should be there. From the wording, folks voting may take it different ways.
     
  3. lucky13

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    I'm running in the 40s on both DVRs.
    Sure, Earl, I can get another HR-20. I'll even get 2 more. When do I get the SWM?
     
  4. jcma

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    IMHO - My new Direct TV HD DVR should be superior to the Tivo unit it just replaced. I had over 80 season passes to shows on my old Tivo. 50 Series Links simply aren't enough.

    DTV please take note: ALL Features on your HD DVRs should equal to or better than Tivo. This should be your baseline standard for all features with no exceptions. Either you want to dominate this market or you're willing to settle for second best. This should be an easy slam-dunk.
     
  5. Michael D'Angelo

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    Since the question was is 50 enough for me I voted yes because on my main DVR that I use I only have 36 and may never make it to 50.

    But I do think it should be a higher limit for the people that do need it higher.
     
  6. gregk

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    50's enough for me. The kids have my old HR10-250 in the basement that they can fill up with a whole lot of SD cartoons & Disney channel junk. That said, I think more should be supported for those that need it.
     
  7. IjustWannaPlay

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    I voted yes, but the 50-limit would be even less of an issue if the HR20 supported MRV.
     
  8. TigerDriver

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    I voted no, not because I could ever possibly use 50 series links, but because I'm annoyed by hard-wired limits to various important lists (e.g., Favorites).

    There's a multi-gigabyte hard disk available to store a practically unlimited number of such lists. I should get to choose how many such lists I desire, then, if necessary, the operating system then reapportions hard disk space to provide the additional virtual memory. Sure, this may reduce my recording storage by a few seconds, but that decision should be up to me.

    If these lists are limited by the availability of on-board silicon memory, well, that's just unforgivably bad engineering.

    Jeez.
     
  9. gbubar

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    I voted yes because I have 4 HD DVR's and can spread the programs out.
     
  10. tooloud10

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    Sure, but only for the people that use more than 50 SLs. For the people that keep saying they're OK with 50, the performance would be just like it is right now, wouldn't it?

    IOW, the only people getting "punished" by the speed would be the ones clamoring for the higher limit anyway.
     
  11. rsblaski

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    For those who voted yes, I will point out something I put into another thread regarding the limit.
    D* picked an arbitrary number as a limit for the SL. For many of us with more than one dvr, 50 on each is enough. If I only had one hr20, I would be SOL right now with about 60-70 SLs between them.
    Being that the SL limit is an arbitrary number, I ask those of you who say "50 is more than I'll ever need" to consider: What if D* had made the limit 5 less than the number of SLs you currently have? Would that change your attitude toward that limit? Would you be happy keeping a list of programs that you cannot SL and enjoy going through the guide every day or week to add recordings that you would want to see? Someone mentioned that he has to keep a list of shows to record. Is this what we all wanted when we got our dvrs? Wasn't one of the main reasons for a dvr to make tv watching LESS complicated and to reduce the need for us to keep track of tv schedules? There are only about three shows that I even have any idea as to when they are on, and yet some people seem to say that keeping track should be no problem.
    That system is what I used when I was using two vcrs (remember them?--so 20th century, lol).
    As I said, I have two dvrs but I still think the limit of 50 SLs is too small.

    I want my MRV!!
     
  12. Slyster

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    What is MRV? I see that a lot. Did someone make an abbreviation FAQ yet? I remember seeing a request by someone for that.
     
  13. houskamp

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    as posted in the other thread: I can't even get to 30 before I have a ton of conflicts... I now have 3 dvrs.. MRV would be a major plus here..
     
  14. pgiralt

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    I voted no because there are a lot of "extra shows" I like to have recorded for the times when I have nothing else to watch. These are not shows that I'll watch all the episodes for, but I like having a few episodes around when I'm in the mood. I haven't reached 50 yet, but I'm awefully close - especially now that I have a 750GB drive on eSATA to give me a lot more space.

    The other thing that I'm sure will bite me is I tend to leave the series links for programs that are seasonal - e.g. 24. Yes, you can just record it during that time and then remove the SL when it's not airing and replace it with something else, but it's far more convenient to just have it there and not have to worry about it.

    I can't imagine that having say 75 or 100 will really make the performance that much worse. As it stands, it appears that the HR20 (thankfully) does all its processing in the background and doesn't have the annoying "please wait a minute" for 5 minutes issue that my old TiVO T60 used to have.
     
  15. rsblaski

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    MRV=Multi Room Viewing.
    This would involve connecting dvrs using some sort of hub or direct connections.
    With two (or more) dvrs, you could program a recording from any one of them and the recording would be done by any dvr that had a tuner free at that particular time. Similarly, you could retrieve a recording on any of the networked dvrs from any one of the others.
    Ideally, all recordings would be listed in one Playlist, or even better, have tabs for what is on each machine PLUS a composite list.
    MRV would essentially make the SL limit = to 50X(the number of dvrs).
    2 dvrs = 100 SLs, 3 dvrs= 150 SLs.
    MRV is the ultimate feature for the dvr as far as I'm concerned.
    SWM would also be nice, but it's not something I really need.
     
  16. Drew2k

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    I voted NO - 50 series links is not enough. There should be no limit. Users should not be forced to monitor their prioritizer "seasonally" when so many networks have limited series runs (think Monk, Psych, Stargate Atlantis, HBO series, Showtime series, etc.). I want to "set it and forget it" and let the DVR do the work - I don't want to have to remember to add back a series link at certain times of year just because a software development team decided that "50 is enough".
     
  17. Bobby42

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    50 is not enough for me. Like many others mentioned, I have several shows for "when nothing else is on".

    A second DVR is not a solution for me, I shouldn't have to pay for a second receiver and deal with switching between receivers just to watch 55 shows.

    Performance of adding a series or rearranging the prioritizer is not a big deal to me. I only use it once a month at most, so I don't care if it takes even twice as long as now.
     
  18. txtommy

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    More than enough for me. I only use about a dozen for regular series links since I barely have time to watch those recordings. I use several more for movies and one time events just so I don't miss them. Very seldom do I have more than 20 SL's set up.
    Even though I don't use more than 20, I don't understand why there would be a limit unless there is a software issue that slows down the unit. If people want 5000 SL's why would D* say that is not reasonable?
    I'd be more interested in increasing the size of the internal hard drive rather than having to install an external. I tend to save up movies that I like rather than TV series that I will delete once watched.
     
  19. Lee L

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    This is 100% the way I feel.

    After having at home and using the old Dishplayer starting in early 2000, then the HR10-250 in 2004, now the HR20, plus playing with my in-laws Dish 501 when I have been over there, I can pretty confidently say the HR10-250 is the best DVR experience by a wide margin.

    If I had to rank, I would say HR10-250, followed by the Dishplayer (at least once they got the bugs worked out), followed by HR20, followed by the POS Dish 501.

    IT is pretty clear to me that the TiVo was desinged from the ground up to record and watch recorded programs whereas the HR20 and Dish 501 are Live Satellite receivers with a DVR stuck onto them. Little things like having the picture and sound in teh menus or how easy it is to accidentally jump out to live TV are big clues IMO.

    So far, we have not had an issue yet as I just hit mute before doing anything in the menus so the shows are not spoiled, but it would sure suck to be watching a sporting event and get the score spoiled while you were selecting it in the List.

    It is just frustrating when they had the best example of a DVR sitting in their office and they could not duplicate or better the experience.
     
  20. jeff125va

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    I voted no. I'm in the upper 30's - mid 40's on mine. The one in the family room is the one where the kids record their nick, mtv, disney, etc. shows. If performance is the issue, why does DirecTV care? It only affects the user, right? I like having my SL list replicated on all of my DVR's, in reverse order especially where I know there are going to be 3-or-more-way conflicts. That way I'm unlikely to miss any recordings and I can watch shows in my preferred room.

    In the meantime, I just got my 4th HR20, put that in the bedroom where my last HR10 was, and moved that to the family room along with HR20 #3. I intended to use it just for recording prime-time shows when I know there are conflicts between shows that we tend to watch together in the family room. Even though I have plenty of space for all my kids' series on the eSATA with my HR20, I'll probably move those shows to the HR10 because those are the ones pushing it close to the 50 SL limit. Also, since those are mainly syndicated shows that are on many many times per week, I prefer the way the TiVo interprets the KAM limit with SUID. I.e., instead of continuing to record new shows, it stops once it reaches the limit.
     
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