Wow.
A keeper.
A keeper.
Yes, well aware of the FCC but they have no "line" that says all gore must be shown after 11pm. That's something you just made up.hdtvfan0001 said:Ever hear of the FCC?
Now you're comparing apples to oranges... The "wardrobe malfunction" was something that really happened. The Following is a TV show that is made up. Now if FOX were showing something like Faces Of Death you MIGHT have a point.hdtvfan0001 said:I guess one gal's wardrobe malfunction at the Suprebowl is worthy of fines whereas suggestive gore is just great. Those are lines just waiting to be crossed, whether people are in denial or not.
Then quit imposing your beliefs on us by trying to get a show taken off the air because YOU find it "too gory".hdtvfan0001 said:Enjoy - nobody's gonna change anyone's minds here on the definition of "acceptable" levels of violence.
Really? The FCC has no specific programming "time limitation" on assessing gore, but tends to focus on prime time and encourage "adult" programming during later hours. Nothing new there for decades - nor "made up".RunnerFL said:Yes, well aware of the FCC but they have no "line" that says all gore must be shown after 11pm. That's something you just made up.
Programming standards are programming standards...they may be red or green...but they're all apples.Now you're comparing apples to oranges... The "wardrobe malfunction" was something that really happened. The Following is a TV show that is made up. Now if FOX were showing something like Faces Of Death you MIGHT have a point.
It would seem equally clear that those who promote this kind of programming are "imposing" their beliefs of acceptability - two sides on a coin.Then quit imposing your beliefs on us by trying to get a show taken off the air because YOU find it "too gory".
Bingo. It also had the highest # of viewers in the 9PM time-slot.phrelin said:Did anyone watch this week's episode of "Criminal Minds" running from 9-10 pm and, as I did, think about the criticism of Fox here for "The Following" being too gruesome?
Not for "gore" they do not, unless you mean Al Gore. They do for sexual content, but not "gore".hdtvfan0001 said:Really? The FCC has no specific programming "time limitation" on assessing gore, but tends to focus on prime time and encourage "adult" programming during later hours. Nothing new there for decades - nor "made up".
Not true, you can't compare reality to fiction.hdtvfan0001 said:Programming standards are programming standards...they may be red or green...but they're all apples.
Not true at all. Again, you don't have to watch it. No one is forcing you or imposing anything on you, you have a choice. However if you get the show cancelled that forces us to stop watching and takes our choice away.hdtvfan0001 said:It would seem equally clear that those who promote this kind of programming are "imposing" their beliefs of acceptability - two sides on a coin.
Yes...the FCC can control content for a variety of reasons, not just sexual in nature. Fiction or not, what is depicted on television is under their jurisdiction. As stated before, choices are just fine.RunnerFL said:Not true at all. Again, you don't have to watch it. No one is forcing you or imposing anything on you, you have a choice. However if you get the show canceled that forces us to stop watching and takes our choice away.
If you think the one episode of "The Following" we've seen constitutes "mindless violence and gore" then I assume you categorize "Criminal Minds" and at least some other crime procedurals on broadcast TV that way.hdtvfan0001 said:Yes...the FCC can control content for a variety of reasons, not just sexual in nature. Fiction or not, what is depicted on television is under their jurisdiction. As stated before, choices are just fine.
OK - we'll just have to agree then to disagree as to what constitutes mindless violence and gore, and what is constitutes "entertainment".
That's why remotes have a channel change button.
Enjoy.
Well put.phrelin said:..."The Following" is a psychological crime procedural of sorts with an overarching story arc about a cult of followers of a serial killer, with all the humor and charm of "Criminal Minds" (also on at 9 pm on a broadcast network) and the warm appeal of the Manson Family.
For Fox I see it more like "Prison Break" in that they're trying to get an audience for a Monday time slot with something not too different than what wins time slots for CBS.
Apparently some sensitive folks think its far more violent than "Prison Break." They either didn't watch Fox on Mondays from the fall of 2005 through the spring of 2009 or have short memories as "Prison Break" won a People's Choice Award in 2006.
Admittedly this show is likely to have a few more Theodore "T-Bag" Bagwell's, that lovable, cunning, violent, and manipulative psychopath...
That's been my point the entire time. If you don't like The Following then don't watch The Following but don't rob us of the opportunity to watch The Following because you don't like it.hdtvfan0001 said:That's why remotes have a channel change button.
But that is exactly how TV works. People don't watch a show they don't like; ratings drop; the show is cancelled, and the folks who do like it are "robbed".RunnerFL said:That's been my point the entire time. If you don't like The Following then don't watch The Following but don't rob us of the opportunity to watch The Following because you don't like it.
Done and done. Don't agree? Hide and watch.MysteryMan said:If FOX is smart they'll make it a 15 episode mini-series and end it.
Yes, but that's what I'd consider "Natural Selection". When enough people call and complain and the network caves is not "Natural Selection", it's someone else deciding what I should and shouldn't watch based on their beliefs.TomCat said:But that is exactly how TV works. People don't watch a show they don't like; ratings drop; the show is cancelled, and the folks who do like it are "robbed".
That probably would not be a bad thing. It seems like shows tend to get better when they know when the end is.MysteryMan said:If FOX is smart they'll make it a 15 episode mini-series and end it.
But that is exactly how TV does NOT work. Very few call and complain, and if they do, it has very little effect.RunnerFL said:Yes, but that's what I'd consider "Natural Selection". When enough people call and complain and the network caves is not "Natural Selection", it's someone else deciding what I should and shouldn't watch based on their beliefs.
I thought they said during the intro or maybe it was the credits of the first episode last week that they wanted us to join them for the next 14 weeksMysteryMan said:If FOX is smart they'll make it a 15 episode mini-series and end it.
I'm sure the people who put together "The Playboy Club" would disagree with you.TomCat said:But that is exactly how TV does NOT work. Very few call and complain, and if they do, it has very little effect.
I agree I wasn't quite so impressed with last night's episode. A show like this needs to rely on its writing to capitivate viewers. Last night's episode was boring and predictable.MysteryMan said:If FOX is smart they'll make it a 15 episode mini-series and end it.
They did, but by then maybe the first of 15 was something we had already joined them for. Kevin Bacon claimed 15 on The Daily Show, and that they are shooting #11. My best guess is that he probably is close enough to the show to have good information. If I was getting paid 6 figures per episode, I think I would have done the math. There is also something called a "double run", typically used to burn off shows or position remaining eps strategically outside the sweeps weeks; 14 weeks does not translate directly into 14 eps. Having your second hour's leadin being another ep of the same show is a realistic expectation that you may be able to carry over the audience; assuming this gives it event status or gravitas isn't quite as realistic. Many shows start with a 2-ep premiere back to back because if a show is going to tank quickly, the first night will get the highest ratings meaning they can sell more spots. And FOX is fond of this idea; every season of 24 started that way, and they do it regularly with Bones and Hell's Kitchen/Kitchen Nightmares.oldschoolecw said:I thought they said during the intro or maybe it was the credits of the first episode last week that they wanted us to join them for the next 14 weeks
Add me to the list. Not enough story line for a miniseries or full season, IMO. I think it would have made a fine Bones or Criminal Minds 2-parter, but that's about it.litex2x said:I agree I wasn't quite so impressed with last night's episode. A show like this needs to rely on its writing to capitivate viewers. Last night's episode was boring and predictable.
See, I didn't view it that way...Steve;3171572 said:Add me to the list. Not enough story line for a miniseries or full season, IMO. I think it would have made a fine Bones or Criminal Minds 2-parter, but that's about it.
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