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The Future of E6 (Split from a SkyAngel thead)

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Fifty Caliber, Apr 24, 2006.

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  1. rocatman

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    I recognize that E-4 is now a foreign satellite but with a limited number of useable TPs and a limited coverage area in the U.S., it is fairly useless. It may have some use in Mexico.

    With Rainbow-1 (E-12), E-3 and E-2 at 61.5 W, Dish should be able to use all 32 TPs there. Sky Angel would only need a few TPs at 157 W for its programming.
     
  2. mattb

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    Skyangel will not give up 61.5 licenses. 157 is not viewable from the Eastern Coast.

    --Matt
     
  3. rocatman

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    Sorry if you misintepreted what I posted. I didn't mean to imply that Sky Angel would give up its 61.5 W licenses but it could use 157 W for folks on the west coast that can't see 61.5 W. Dish's satellites at 61.5 W i.e., Rainbow-1 (E-12) and E-3 currently can not provide signal for all 32 DBS TPs at 61.5 W including the 6 that Sky Angel has license for. This is due to failures on the E-3 satellite. Sky Angel leases 4 of the 6 to Dish in exchange for use of E-3 to provide Sky Angel programming. Moving E-2 to 61.5 W would allow Dish to provide signal for all 32 TPs.
     
  4. JohnH

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    Sky Angel owns 8 licenses and leases 6 to EchoStar.

    157 was not offered as a pick and choose auction. It was all available or nothing.
     
  5. Doggfather

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    wow there is some crazy speculation going on in here ;0 I agree that the only place E6 could even think of going is to 129 to assist E5. For me though on the fringe E6 has been nothing short of a disease ;0 Wherever it went, I couldnt get signal. As many have said the footprint goes way our of whack when you move it too far of off the intended usage area. 10 degrees is the realistic limit. If you take the fact that it was first at 119, it could only ever go to 129 or 110 and still work even remotely close to the way it was intended to do so. I do however agree that 61.5 is in need of some serious help right now! That bird is hurting right now... a mild case of Avian bird flu is happening there for sure ;0

    -Doggfather
     
  6. alebowgm

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    If you want an idea to see what E4 at 77w may be able to do, check the EKB, there is a guesstimate chart that I believe James made up. Based on it, it would be able to provide coverage to all of Mexico, Flordia and the extreme south (near the Gulf of Mexico section).

    Now, we have no idea what was in the agreement except that they would probably not have to worry about dealing with the CRTC, Nimiq or any other Canadian company/governing body because it should not interfere with reception. Although there is a possibility that you could have Directv complain because of their useage at 72.5... That is probably this biggest obsticle right now...
     
  7. alebowgm

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    James, any luck on the guesstimate map for 61,129 and 148? Heck, with the crazy speculation that is going on, why not do the sketch as well for 157... if you dont mind... :)
     
  8. James Long

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    From the "why didn't I see that post before someone quoted it" department:
    E6, E7 and E8 were designed to be useful at 110° or 119°, the two primary DBS slots for E* at the time they were designed. All three would have similar problems at 129°, with E7 and E8 spotbeams being really out of whack.
    Something else came up ... (I went straight from work to a car dealer just to check the mileage on a vehicle they had on the lot - ended up buying it and spending the next four hours cleaning out my trade in so we can do the actual swap tomorrow.)
     
  9. alebowgm

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    nice what did you buy?
     
  10. larrystotler

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    Johnh pointed out that there is only E*7 at the 119. I thought that there were 2 sats there. However, they wouldn't need E*6 for the spots. More for the ability to make better use of the slot. They could drop E*5 back to full power on 16tps.
     
  11. James Long

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    '99 Caravan - Yeah, I'm one of those guys who gets a new car after someone else breaks it in. :D Someone paid $22k for my van back in '99 -- While the Consumer Price Index turns $22k into $26k today, vehicle values don't go that way. Which is why I buy used.

    Anyways ... quick throw togethers on what a 110/119° sat would do at 61.5°, 129° and 148° - not as bad as I thought. Certainly 129° is the best with the least signal being sent around the planet off into space. :D (157° would be similar to 148° - but since E* has no licenses there I've ignored it.
     

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  12. alebowgm

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    Those should go into the EKB...
     
  13. larrystotler

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    Yeah, I paid $200 for my 85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham. It has all the options(some of which still work like the power driver seat :D) I've had to do work to it, but it was a lot cheaper than a $20k car.

    Anyway, the 129 spot looks good. Except for the low look angle here on the east coast, it has good coverage.
     
  14. JPointerWI

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    157 is barely visable from the west coast. The only use I could see would be for Alaska and hawaii, and some people on the pacific coast with a totally unobstructed view of the horizon.
     
  15. James Long

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    They are unofficial, not related to an actual satellite usage and just sketches for the sake of this thread. I don't see them as important enough for the EKB, but thanks for the compliment. :)
     
  16. Mike D-CO5

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    Well I hope they do use the Echostar 6 for the 129 sat since your pictures show that is would be visable in the entire continental U. S. . We need a stronger sat that can be seen by everyone. Right now 129 strengths vary to much for me and are subject to rainfade.
     
  17. James Long

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    Technically E-5 would have the same, if not a wider pattern. (They are getting better at focusing the power at ConUS and not wasting signal where there should be no subscribers.) E-6 has served well. E-5 wasn't junk but it is having problems on the west coast. There is always the chance E-6 will do better.

    BTW: For the car sub-thread I've put a picture here.
     
  18. TNGTony

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    Thanks James. My thoughts exactly. If they do move one of these sats to one of these locations, I will use pictures like this on the EKB. But since it is just speculation, it would be more confusing than anything else. :)

    See ya
    Tony
     
  19. Big Bob

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    I haven't really thought this through, but how is this for a plan
    E6 goes to 61. Sure, it would not have the best coverage, but it would surely light up the east coast. There may be a few Sky Angel subs on the west coast who may be out of luck.
    E3 to 129 to "help out"
    Would this work?
     
  20. alebowgm

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    No, if anything that would be horrible, because E3 was created for the 61 slot, so its contour is set for that location. E6 contour is set for 110. Now, I can see E3 and E6 sharing the workload on the side, but E6 will have a better LOS for CONUS with the CONTUR estimate we have at 129. It can share the work with E5 there or then you can move E5 somewhere else...
     
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