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The great OTA debate

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by gcisko, Oct 18, 2007.

Do you want/need OTA

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  2. NO - I am good to go

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  1. Earl Bonovich

    Earl Bonovich Lifetime Achiever

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    Huh?

    I could understand if this is a debate about the black or silver case...

    But a more accurate analogy would be:
    Do you want FM/AM/XM support or just XM
     
  2. Kansas Zephyr

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    If D* wants to "replace cable" locally. Then carry ALL of the local channels and sub-channels, period.

    If not, provide an OTA option, even if I must pay a slight premium.
     
  3. 69hokie

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    My only point was to each his own....
     
  4. Jaysv

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    If we assume that Directv's customer base is at least loosely related to overall national distribution of households, then 36% of their current customers "need" OTA today for big 4 HD access.

    (Granted I don't know how sound that assumption is, as their market penetration could vary from DMA to DMA. Larger DMAs, consumers have more options, compared to smaller markets, some areas of the country have more line of sight issues than others, etc.)
     
  5. say-what

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    Cable doesn't always provide all the locals in HD. There are many markets where the cable company is engaged in contract disputes with the local stations, so those signals are unavailable. And guess what, cable doesn't provide an OTA solution.....
     
  6. Kansas Zephyr

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    Understood.

    Here in Wichita, served by Cox (also serving most of KS), cable has all locals that provide HD and sub-channels (4 subs on-line, now).

    D* only has SD.

    I dare say that, today, there are more cable systems providing HD and subs in more markets that D*.
     
  7. Jaysv

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    DBS talk's survey is too small and focused, Nielson is too broad and all inclusive.

    And exactly were to do think Directv's next HD customer is going to come from?
     
  8. Earl Bonovich

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    Well you would expect that...

    As that is how the CABLE system is designed... it is regional/local based...
    Even within the same DMA, you can have multiple "head ends" to get it very localized...

    DirecTV on the other hand... is national based, with local added on top of it...
    So yes... it is going to be national focused, with locals added on top...

    Vs the other way around, in the cable model.

    As if you look at the two:

    DirecTV: National channels set... pretty much identical everywhere in the country.
    DirecTV: Local offerings... different based on local (and I am not talking about different channels... but the sake that one market has ABC, the other doesn't)

    Cable: National channel set... not equal accross the country... as shown recently that some markets are getting new HD channels while most of the others are not...
    Cable: Local.... pretty much they carry every local channel that is available, that is because they don't have to worry about the limitations of repeating it everywhere (even withn in the same DMA, other offices do different segments).
     
  9. Kansas Zephyr

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    Earl,

    I get it.

    I'm a D* customer and fan.

    But, I'm also an OTA fan, too.

    Just give me the option, today and tomorrow, that's all.
     
  10. Lord Vader

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    Earl, after reading through this voluminous thread and the various discussions related to the sub-channels, do you foresee D* carrying not just the sub-channels like 5.2, 7.2, 7.3, 32.2, 32-3, etc. here in Chicagoland, but also all the other non-network digitals like those in the 26's, 38's, 50's, etc.?
     
  11. hdtvfan0001

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    I sure hope not, as then we'll have a new thread started by someone about the terrible waste of bandwidth... :lol:
     
  12. JBernardK

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    Could you give us a reference for this supposed "fact"?
     
  13. dreadlk

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    LOL this thread is funny.

    $200 for a receiver with OTA and a Silver case VS $200 for no OTA and a black case! Is this even a debate?

    If you go into a Best Buy and the sales guy says would you like an HR receiver with or without an OTA tuner for the same price. Which of you is going to say "Heck no, I don't want the Tuner" gimme the one with less options for the same price.

    So how do we get into 12 pages of a debate on why Less is better than more :(

    IMO even if I never use the OTA I think having the OTA port is better than not having it!! What if I move and end up living 1 mile away from a group of OTA HD locals? I would be screaming for the OTA tuner.
     
  14. gcisko

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    Why? I am getting it now just fine with OTA :)
     
  15. gcisko

    gcisko I am Iron Man!

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    Yes I have been wondering about this as well. Up until now I just figured they were right. The vast majority for whatever reason does not need or want OTA. But I have never seen any proof at all of this. So I will wait and see what shows up :D
     
  16. Lord Vader

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    Seriously, though, with next year's launch of D11, I'd love to see them add the subchannels, at least in the major DMAs. Whether they'd have the bandwidth to do this is another question, of course.
     
  17. Earl Bonovich

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    I don't see any of those subchannels being carried. (5.2, 7.2 are the weather maps... and I would put money down)

    And 26, 38, 50, ect... are already carried.... in the SD band.
    Those are already picked up (IIRC) in Chicago, via direct connection to the stations..

    If not they will be converted to be received via their digital broadcasts.
     
  18. Earl Bonovich

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    Highly Highly doubtfull... they want to continue the covering of the "big 4" in other DMAs... expand the carrying of other HD broadcasting locals in the existing DMAs... and continue their expansion of at least SD converage in additional DMAs
     
  19. bhelton71

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    Speaking of Big 4 - has anyone heard any Lin updates in regard to Directv carrying their digital channels? They are the lone holdout of the major networks (not counting CW, MyNdy or PAX) here in Indy.
     
  20. Que

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    I have another reason to stick with OTA. My wife called me at work (I work 2nd shift) and said that CH30 (abc) was out. Said that the channel shows that D* knows of the problem and not to call. I told her to go in the living room and check it on OTA. It worked in there but not from D* I surprise no else has a thread about "Dancing with the Stars, out on D*" If anyone know anything let me know. 63376 area. She sent an email to D* [Reference #: 071022-007869]
     
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