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The great OTA debate

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by gcisko, Oct 18, 2007.

Do you want/need OTA

  1. YES

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  2. NO - I am good to go

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  1. Oct 18, 2007 #21 of 356
    veryoldschool

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    If I could move that 300' chunk of granite, OTA might be more useful.

    Basic choice: OTA or the faster performance without it?
     
  2. Oct 18, 2007 #22 of 356
    LameLefty

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    Voted no - I have four locals in HD from Directv and that's all I need; more to the point, in my area I would need a big antenna, signal amp, and a rotor to receive them all since they've chosen to install their towers in different directions from my house. So OTA is basically out for me. I also have cable internet and it's cheaper to maintain a lifeline "basic" subscription in addition to internet service than it is to JUST sub to the internet service (how's that for a way for Comcrap to inflate subscriber numbers :rolleyes:) So if the SHTF in the middle of the night and a tornado is barreling down on my house, I'll know via the internet or basic cable tuned to a local station.

    So in that regard, the HR21 is perfect for me and I will order at least one more ASAP.
     
  3. Oct 18, 2007 #23 of 356
    hdtvfan0001

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    Let me know when you have about 1.6 million votes out of the potential 16 million D*TV customer responses, so we can know when the poll represents at least 10% of the customer base to make this poll valid for anything... :lol:

    Voted NO, as I've had it (by default for equipment in place for over 9 years), but virtually never use it anyway. If it was gone tomorrow, it would be no loss. OTA in any major city is not a necessity. The issue with PBS is all about funding. Unlike commerical for-profit stations, PBS stations have to come up with their own money, so equipment upgrades to digital/HD is not consistent throughout the US station network yet. In some places, you can't get PBS HD with our without OTA, so it doesn't even matter.

    Once the new D11 sat goes up, D*TV will have plenty of bandwidth to expand upon the LIL stations, so that more than the big 4 in cities are supported, assuming carriage agreements are in place and the local stations offer HD in the first place.

    I wouldn't let a few more months of waiting for 1 local channel drive my purchasing decisions, but that's just me. :D
     
  4. Oct 18, 2007 #24 of 356
    say-what

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    Well, you can't even do this with the HR20 while recording two shows, so this one doesn't support the argument for having OTA on the HR21, which would arguably have the same functionality. You'd still need the TV's tuner to accomplish this feat.

    These don't add much support for the argument for having OTA on the HR21 as you don't need a DVR to do this and can accomplish the same thing with the TV's tuner.

    Well, this may apply, but it's certainly not much of a reason to add the OTA in the HR21.
     
  5. Oct 18, 2007 #25 of 356
    hdtvfan0001

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    ...or any other one for that matter... :rolleyes:
     
  6. Oct 18, 2007 #26 of 356
    hasan

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    This is an interesting poll, I guess, but as far as marketing decisions for D*, it is useless. The sample is so small and so non-random that making any inferences based on this data would be dumb as a box of rocks.

    In any case, I voted YES, as OTA is a very big deal to me.
     
  7. Oct 18, 2007 #27 of 356
    say-what

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    I'm thinking about doing the same myself, just need to decide whether to replace one HR20 or get it as an addition to my DVR collection. :)
     
  8. Oct 18, 2007 #28 of 356
    hdtvfan0001

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    Make that the three of us.... :D
     
  9. Oct 18, 2007 #29 of 356
    n3ntj

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    I voted YES for OTA because:

    1. No PBS-HD via D*. Can only get this OTA.

    2. Can't get Phily stations via D* and I can get some OTA.

    3. Only 4 of the local HD stations are carried by D* and no subchannels.
     
  10. Oct 18, 2007 #30 of 356
    jtn

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    Read an article on NYTimes.com URL:

    go to their site under media to see story.

    That will potentially allow media owners to buy up more stations in a market area. This will likely make it easier for larger companies to buy up newspapers, tv stations, and radio stations in the same market.
     
  11. Oct 18, 2007 #31 of 356
    seagod

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    I am in a market that is one of the last that received local SD channels and currently those require a separate dish at that. Therefore, OTA in a receiver is very important to me as that is the only way I see I will have local's in HD as D* has not given any hint as to when they will offer my market's HD locals via their main SAT or event the separate SAT. At least with an OTA I do not have to resort to my local cable provider for that content; however, their currently is not a way to position an OTA that will reliably receive all my HD locals as they are in totally separate directions. The best signal strength I can get on an OTA (I have tried about 10 models) is around the upper 40's and that is at the expense my other 4 channels. Not great but then I really do not watch much on FOX and PBS which are the hardest to pick up iat my location and if I do the others are lost. I have tried but can not get national feeds in HD. This is one area where our local cable provider has a definite edge. Due to this I rarely watch anything on NBC, ABC, CBS or FOX these days. It is a shame that the FCC does not allow me to get national HD feeds but then the FCC determined that I should be able to receive local HD with an OTA but no one thought about if you could receive them all at once with one OTA or needed to reposition the OTA in order to watch each channel reliably. I will be glad when D* gets HD locals for my market but until then, I can make due without FOX and PBS and the others which I get about 80% of the time.
     
  12. Oct 18, 2007 #32 of 356
    Jaysv

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    Voted Yes as well, and agree that this poll, just as with many of the polls here, likely isn't a reflection of entire Directv user base.

    Directv should have much better data available to them about how many users actually use OTA, and where they are located.
     
  13. Oct 18, 2007 #33 of 356
    tonyd79

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    You do know that you can get Washington OTA and you will probably NEVER get them via satellite?

    Why do you not like using OTA? You set it up and it is done.

    And what about channels not on satellite? Like the CW or PBS? (I don't want to hear they will eventually have them...there will always be some lag.)
     
  14. Oct 18, 2007 #34 of 356
    csunflip

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    Voted YES

    D* does not offer KCAL - 9 in HD and KCETHD

    All Laker games a shown in HD in SOCAL!
     
  15. Oct 18, 2007 #35 of 356
    LameLefty

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    Actually, I may hold off until SWMs are generally available too - I will use a second HR21 to move the R15 out of my master bedroom and into my youngest daughter's room. She has only one line in there but my WB68 is full-up. I can't guarantee they'll install a WB6161 with the "standard installation" when they move the DVR in there, and I need an SWM to get dual-tuner functionality out of the HR20 that's currently up in my son's room above the garage (with no easy way to run a second line in addition to the RG6 in the wall already).
     
  16. Oct 18, 2007 #36 of 356
    hdtvfan0001

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    Then you'll be glad to know that once the new sat D11 is up and fully operational early next year, you won't need the extra dish anymore, and the bandwidth will be there to support an exponential expansion of the LIL HD channels.
     
  17. Oct 18, 2007 #37 of 356
    tonyd79

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    Use of OTA is a bad statistic as DirecTV is ACTIVELY discouraging people from using OTA. I have had friends be told by DirecTV when they wanted an antenna put up as part of their install "Why would you want that, we have your locals in HD." Two of them were even told they would get the antenna then the installer turned up without one and refused to do it. Only one insisted and got it with another installer coming.

    When you refuse a product to your customers then say "Well, our customers don't use this product" that is a very bad statistic.

    And, why trust DirecTV marketing? They misunderstood the desire for DLB, too.

    Your logic says we should never tell DirecTV what is best because we are not a good sample. Let's just shut dbstalk down, then....
     
  18. Oct 18, 2007 #38 of 356
    tonyd79

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    Oh, DirecTV is going to give me Washington, DC locals in addition to my Baltimore ones? I don't think so.....
     
  19. Oct 18, 2007 #39 of 356
    hasan

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    +1 ....and then some.
     
  20. Oct 18, 2007 #40 of 356
    Michael D'Angelo

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    I know and I had them but don't need them. There is nothing in Washington that I want to watch.

    I don't like having to use the "-1". It is just that much more to press.

    Plus it just adds that much more to the guide and I don't need them.

    The only thing I watch on either one of those channels is the few Maryland basketball games that are on CW (54 WBFF) every year and they are not even in HD yet.
     
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