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The GREEN Thread

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Nick, May 4, 2009.

  1. Jun 10, 2009 #61 of 125
    barryb

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    My plumber friend put in a solar water heater setup using his existing water heater (natural gas) as the storage tank.

    He then installed the under-flooring tubing so that this heated water can be pumped around the house (zones) and heat his home during the winter.

    I have not seen his set up yet, but I will soon. He says he never turns on his heater any more, and he has seen his water water temp get to 200F.
     
  2. Jun 10, 2009 #62 of 125
    Marlin Guy

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    I've been killing groundhogs in soybean fields.
    In the spots where the groundhogs have been erradicated, the fields are getting green again.

    Glad to do my part.
     
  3. Jun 10, 2009 #63 of 125
    barryb

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    My biggest expense this year will be changing out the pumps that run our Koi pond.

    I found programmable pumps that run on 240 volts instead of the 120 volt amp suckers I am presently using.
     
  4. Jun 10, 2009 #64 of 125
    Richard King

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    That's what I hear also, but, I don't have gas available here unless I want to install a tank.
     
  5. Jun 10, 2009 #65 of 125
    Richard King

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    You might find them getting green also if you move the septic tank to under your fields. ;)
     
  6. Jun 10, 2009 #66 of 125
    BubblePuppy

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    Can you do that in a trailer park?
     
  7. Jun 10, 2009 #67 of 125
    SayWhat?

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    I haven't had any problems with CFL's warming up, but you can't use them on dimmers and most current wall switch mounted timers won't work with them.

    In winter, the T-Stat stays below 65 deg. In summer I use fans, no central AC; one window unit in the bedroom.
     
  8. Jun 10, 2009 #68 of 125
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    I understand, that is the same way it would be at my house. When my house was built it had gas with a propane tank. Over the years somebody pulled out all the gas fixtures and went all electric. The tank is not even here anymore. It does not bother me thought. I really am kinda scared having gas running thought the house due to leakes and such. Also, I do not know if propane is any more expensive than CNG but, it seems like it is when you have to buy a whole take full of it at once.
     
  9. Jun 10, 2009 #69 of 125
    phrelin

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    You do have to buy a full tank once. After that, you replace what you use. It is more expensive than natural gas as a truck with a driver has to deliver it to the local company's yard from where a truck with a driver has to deliver it to the home.

    But compared to electricity where I live, propane's a bargain for cooking, heating and hot water. And from a safety standpoint, more people are injured or killed and more fires are started by electricity. In fact more people are injured or killed by motor vehicles.

    Regarding CFLs, I have had one out of probably 40+ CFLs used in the past few years heat up enough to have potentially caused a fire had it been in a fixture made of flammable materials. That should not be a problem as standards have improved.

    However, my experience is that the electronics in the "starter" effectively don't last 50% of the "rated" lifespan of the bulb in normal use in our home. "Regular" bulbs didn't do much better measured against their "rated" lifespan, but the mercury reduction numbers applied to old CFLs that have become too dim to use don't apply to those in our household as they don't last long enough to become dim.
     
  10. Jun 10, 2009 #70 of 125
    jclewter79

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    Yeah, but most people I know forget to call the propane guy until it is 20 degrees outside and then they run out. I am sure you are right about the safety issues but, every now and again you turn on the news and see that some house with gas has blown up, I guess it is an unfounded fear but it is a fear for me just the same. Of course I am lucky on the electric price front, I have lived in my house a little over 4 years and have never had an electric bill over $280. That may seem high but, in the summer I keep the AC at 68 degrees. I do turn lights off that I am not using and have quite a few CLF's but that is about it. We have a large tree canopy over our roof so I think that helps. Another thing that helps is we are on CO OP power here and they have seemed to be able to keep the prices down alot better than TXU and some of the other power companies you can get in town.
     
  11. Jun 10, 2009 #71 of 125
    SayWhat?

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    LP isn't always higher than NG, it depends on the provider and your usage patterns. I can usually get through a winter on one fill of a 500 gallon tank.

    As to the utility abusers, I'd like to see one of two things, either;

    * Interruptable meters that cut power off after a certain number of KWhs each day.
    * Significant surcharges ($500 or so) for monthly usage over a certain number of KWhs each month.

    Abusers put an unnecessary load on the grid and contribute disproportinately to grid failure and brownouts.
     
  12. Jun 10, 2009 #72 of 125
    BubblePuppy

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    Also make all appliances and electronic equipment that go on "stand by" illegal.....

    What would the power cut off be? It would be based on..what?
     
  13. Jun 10, 2009 #73 of 125
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    That's a great idea! The groundhogs already have the holes dug, so half the work's already done!
    Still, I need to pick a spot close to my trailer.
    It is a mobile home, but it's a real pain to move. Besides, I like the view.

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  14. Jun 10, 2009 #74 of 125
    Marlin Guy

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    Are you one dem arugula eatin' elitists they wuz talkin' 'bout on the news? :lol:
     
  15. Jun 10, 2009 #75 of 125
    SayWhat?

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    It would have to be a floating number set by each utility based on average usage for the region. Hardship cases like those with medical machinery would be exempted.
     
  16. Jun 10, 2009 #76 of 125
    Chris Blount

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    I honestly don't think the first one would fly. Cutting someone's electricity for overuse would anger a lot of people and cause safety issues.

    Significant surcharges might work but then you have the issue of how much.
     
  17. Jun 10, 2009 #77 of 125
    SayWhat?

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    Maybe not for the whole house, but our's does it now for certain devices with the customer's approval. They install a separate addressable meter for HVAC and pool usage that they can cut off remotely if the grid load gets too high. You pay a different rate for that meter usage too.

    I would propose that current, optional policy become mandatory nationwide. Again, except for those with medical needs everyone can live without AC or pool pumps/heaters.
     
  18. Jun 10, 2009 #78 of 125
    Chris Blount

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    Apparently you don't live in the south! I'm also sure that people who live in southern Arizona would disagree with you as well.
     
  19. Jun 10, 2009 #79 of 125
    SayWhat?

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    As a kid we had one TV, a few fans, one whole house attic fan, refrig, electric stove, washer, gas dryer, gas forced air heat and a few radios and lamps. Our electric bill was about $20/mo or so.
     
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    I didn't say they'd be comfortable or happy.
     

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