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The official "More HD in 2009" thread - Q2 edition

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by rrrick8, Apr 2, 2009.

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  1. May 7, 2009 #421 of 1211
    oldfantom

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    Hutchinshouse

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    The answer is "b" :bang

    DIRECTV could add several national HD channels today if they wanted to. Their website even states "We will continue to add HD channels as they become available". :lol:

    There's plenty of HD channels currently "available". :nono:
     
  3. May 7, 2009 #423 of 1211
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    So your position, just to clarify, is that D* is capable of adding more national HD with no sacrifice to any other planned activities or cost. But is not turning those channels on because someone in the company just doesn't feel like it. Do you often have feelings that the good and bad things in the world are all directed at you?

    I realize we are all here expressing OPINIONS and that much of what is said in this thread is done with tongue planted firmly in cheek. I just kind of chafe at the notion that a business would do something counter productive to the good of their product offering just because they don't feel like it. Does anyone honestly believe that company does not have a plan? Maybe even a plan which they have decided not to make completely public?
     
  4. May 7, 2009 #424 of 1211
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    If AT&T or Verizon were to buy Directv, I'd love to see them merge their services (ie: Directv and Uverse) and offer the same product and brand both ways. So you could get the same packages and channel lineups either via a dish or fiber.
     
  5. May 7, 2009 #425 of 1211
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    1. Correct (there's available bandwidth with D11. Perhaps you should read a few of the other posts on this site. :welcome_s)
    2. No (thanks for asking)
    3. Yes (The Travel Channel HD launched over 16 months ago. DIRECTV has had 16+ months to "devise a plan")
     
  6. May 7, 2009 #426 of 1211
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    I'm not Hutchinshouse, but I'll respond, yes they APPEAR to be.

    1. According to Sixto there is bandwidth available for several HD channels now with no effect on the what the sports tickets use when they are on.

    2. Directv has agreements in place with HBO/Max and Hallmark. Price has been agreed upon and the deals have been in place for 2 years.

    If they have space and they have deals agreed to, what do you think the problem is? Now, I'm not saying that it's some guy going "Nah, Nah, Nah, I'm not doing it" but the facts show that Directv is sitting on "space" and agreements and are not adding what they are capable of. Someone has made a decision to not utilize the "space" and agreements.

    We don't know WHY the decision was made, but Yes, someone at Directv has made the decision to not add channels. Channels that were part of "planned activities" when they were announced in a press release in 2007.
     
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    Thanks! Great minds think alike. :D Here's my post = http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?p=2091249#post2091249
     
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    Perhaps you should not quote out of context. I did not say that they did not have bandwidth. I did say that they could add your channel without sacrificing other activities and at no cost. For you accountants in the room, I am using cost to indicate both cash and opportunity costs. You are making assumptions and diagnosis with a partial picture. With all respect to Sixto and LameLefty and all the other technos in the all the other posts in this thread and the D12 launch sister thread, no one in this forum knows what is going on. Since I don't I will probably leave this little thought grenade and let you all continue the amusing but inane speculations as to why this company is obviously run by people less intelligent than every member of this forum with a post count over 5.
     
  9. May 7, 2009 #429 of 1211
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    Considering most of the other providers have
    Hallmark, Lifetime, LMN, Travel Channel and WGN America, it appears IMO that it's some kind of pi$$ing match between the parties involved.
     
  10. May 7, 2009 #430 of 1211
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    Or possibly, some of the carriage contracts that have been mentioned have must carry clauses. If the new contract for HBO/Cinemax has a must carry, then adding one additional HD would mean having to add all 20. We know from past publicized events that Disney tied ESPN, EPSN Classic and ESPN news together. Further, they leveraged all their properties when getting the tiers for properties like ABC Family and the toon Disney channel. I don't recall seeing the signed carriage contracts anywhere, and I doubt they are in the public domain.
     
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    But yet other providers have these same HD channels so........ why are they getting them without said "must carry clauses" but DirecTV is not? Seems that logic doesn't fit either, now does it?

    I have no idea why they don't carry these channels, but at some time in the very near future if they don't it WILL hurt their bottom line.
     
  12. May 7, 2009 #432 of 1211
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    I think you're right.
     
  13. May 7, 2009 #433 of 1211
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    I have not looked at that master list over on either Sat Guys or AVS, which has the full list. So I don't know if there is a must carry. It was a thought. My personal opinion is that they made a decision to use their limited resources to launch locals. Again, I am not just talking about sat bandwidth when saying resources. I also don't know any more than anyone else on this forum.

    I am not sure how far out the future will be where the bottom line will be hurt. In fact, in the quarterly call thread, D* has said that adding too many subs is actually more of a problem for them right now. Ask any Mac user if there is a direct correlation between quality of offering and market share. I think that D* will be OK until they get that next sat up. Even the most ardent "You have the bandwidth, give me my channel" crew in this forum still seem to subscribe to D*.

    It seems apparent to me that the next National HD anyone should realistically hope for will be in 2010. (Or late 2009 if they get the Sat up and working early as Sixto or Lefty posited in the D12 thread). But don't get me wrong, I would love for all of you to be able to send a note telling me what kind of negative jerk I was when they launch channel x (y, z ...) before then.
     
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    I don't see that happening. Verizon realizes that FiOS is only available to a very small minority of people, and DirecTV would allow them to reach the rest. Why wouldn't they want to provide a top-notch product to the rest of the country? They'd make money whether people subscribe to DirecTV or FiOS.

    As far as Liberty, they're not treating DirecTV like the red-headed stepchild. They're just milking as much cash as they can out of it while doing as little as possible.
     
  15. May 7, 2009 #435 of 1211
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    I agree 100% with that, they have a cash cow and they feel like they don't have to do anything else, I don't think they care one bit about service, as long as the bucks roll in and keep piling up, why bother.
     
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    Wasn't the Sat damage in some way on the way up? Maybe they don't have the bandwidth we think due to that? Or did that only effect locals and the spotbeams?
     
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    Dish had the bad launch. Knock on wood, no D* issues that we are really aware of. There was speculation on D11 problems, but I am not sure that panned out.
     
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    You seem to be the one who steered the question out of context. Someone asked if the reluctance to add HD was due to capacity, or desire. He further clarifies the question by stating: "I'm a buyer for a company and there are many times that I have the capacity to buy the product but I don't desire to because of profit, risk, and relationship issues." Given those options, Hutchinshouse responded that the answer was desire. You then asked "So your position, just to clarify, is that D* is capable of adding more national HD with no sacrifice to any other planned activities or cost.", attempting to put cost in the "capacity" category, when it was clearly considered part of the "desire" category as the question was originally posed. You continue your straw man argument with "But is not turning those channels on because someone in the company just doesn't feel like it. Do you often have feelings that the good and bad things in the world are all directed at you?" We can all pick apart each other's comments, but it's a bit disingenuous to misrepresent someone else's response, then accuse HIM of quoting out of context.
     
  19. May 7, 2009 #439 of 1211
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    As a buyer, I would think if I waited to negotiate until I had a new bird in the air that has new capicity and I needed to fill it, I would be in a weaker position of leverage. Could it be that offers have already been made as an either/or? i.e. Either give us (D*) what we want now and we will put you on D11 now or dont give us what we want and you can wait for the D12 rollout, that is if nothing happens to it. Maybe some of these channels went for the latter and no matter the current capacity we will just have to wait. Maybe a bluff or two was called.

    I wonder....
     
  20. May 8, 2009 #440 of 1211
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    I stand corrected, then. They're treating it like an illegal immigrant worker. :lol:
     
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