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The official "More HD in 2009" thread - Q2 edition

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by rrrick8, Apr 2, 2009.

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  1. May 8, 2009 #461 of 1211
    studdad

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    If you are into Sunday Ticket. I love Sports, but get plenty of it without Sunday Ticket.

    I will stick around a while longer to see if anything "pops" but if they fall too much behind, I am on to the next best thing. Really, the only thing that holds me back right now with switching to Dish is I am bit concerned about PQ. When they first came out with HD I wasn't impressed, but maybe their PQ has improved? Then again, I didn't have as good a tv then. FIOS would be my ultimate choice, but I don't see them coming to my area any time soon.
     
  2. May 8, 2009 #462 of 1211
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    The HD leader in sports is still by far Directv.

    Maybe the market for Sports in HD is much greater than Fashion TV in HD.
     
  3. May 8, 2009 #463 of 1211
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    Don't forget Dish's 14 channel lead in national HD networks.
     
  4. May 8, 2009 #464 of 1211
    Sixto

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    That's the point of my comment. I have no idea, will leave that up to the Dish experts.

    If Dish is so great, and they haven't added any HD bandwidth lately, then how are they adding these channels?

    If Dish is using available "free" HD bandwidth then some Dish expert should be able to post the info and they can be congratulated. :)
     
  5. May 8, 2009 #465 of 1211
    harsh

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    Holding back on programming isn't the right way to slow growth. Cutting down on promotional offers to new customers is the best way to accomplish that.

    Stagnating in the programming department is how you increase churn. Existing customers should not have to suffer because they company is doing well.
     
  6. May 8, 2009 #466 of 1211
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    Obviously the point was missed.

    The point is that there is a business plan and it's being followed. With super results (so far).
     
  7. May 8, 2009 #467 of 1211
    harsh

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    This has been accomplished largely by employing higher power Ku transponders that require less error correction and improved modulation and encoding technologies.
     
  8. May 8, 2009 #468 of 1211
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    Excluding Premiums, what are they?
     
  9. May 8, 2009 #469 of 1211
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    Its because Directv is being greedy plain and simple. They have way more subs than Dish and now Dish is far ahead in HD. Directv has minipulated us by there advertising like tag lines such as "HD Leader"! It should be" HD Liar"

    I am so angry now I may save up for the disconnect fee and go to Dish were
    they actually care about their customers than the lining of their own pockets.

    I spend an average of $100.00 a month on Directv. I have the right to complain even though it does no good.( Whew)
     
  10. May 8, 2009 #470 of 1211
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    HD Liar? 140?
     
  11. May 8, 2009 #471 of 1211
    harsh

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    You're missing the point. The plan to reduce growth is something that they are going to do going forward. The SAC numbers and subscriber additions tell us that they've failed to reduce growth thus far.
     
  12. May 8, 2009 #472 of 1211
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    Not so sure that is a true statement.

    Yes, there may be higher power transponders.

    Yes, there may be less error correction required.

    BUT ...

    It appeared that the existing infrastructure was max'ed out to meet the same picture quality as DirecTV.

    Which therefore would require more compression to add new HD channels.

    Now if there's a Dish expert that can post credible information that these channels are using available "free" bandwidth, then that's great and Dish should be congratulated. :)
     
  13. May 8, 2009 #473 of 1211
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    DISH adding HD channels while losing subscribers and DirecTV gaining subscribers while its HD lineup remains stagnant truly is counterintuitive, especially when marketers from both companies deem HD channel count a core element of their sales pitch.
     
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    High growth, what a problem to have.
     
  15. May 8, 2009 #475 of 1211
    Sixto

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    hah .. that's funny.

    so now we're worried that they've "failed to reduce growth thus far".

    They're doing just fine. :)
     
  16. May 8, 2009 #476 of 1211
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    I believe they have gained some space on the eastern arc by moving international channels that had been there off to a different sat. For the western arc they launched Ciel 2 which moved a number of local channels from conus beams to spot beams and I think it has freed up some national capacity in addition to allowing them to add all the locals they have added recently.

    As harsh mentioned they are also using less error correction and more advanced encoding than directv is using on their conus beams resulting in more usable bandwidth. Directv does use the same encoding on their spot beams.
     
  17. May 8, 2009 #477 of 1211
    harsh

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    Why should premiums be excluded? Around 25% of the HD channels that DIRECTV offers are RSNs; most of which end up being part of the premium SPORTS PACK or various sports ticket subscriptions.

    For the non-premiums, here's a small list (not altogether up-to-date):

    BET Jazz
    Hallmark Movie Channel
    Lifetime
    Lifetime Movie Network
    Travel Channel
    WGN America
    World Fishing Network
     
  18. May 8, 2009 #478 of 1211
    Sixto

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    So we think that all of the new Dish HD channels are of the same PQ? (therefore no need to increase compression to squeeze more HD channels)

    If so, great for Dish.
     
  19. May 8, 2009 #479 of 1211
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    I think the saddest part of this topic is that Directv fanboys are proclaiming victory as if their Directv shareholders and not customers buying based on a free market.

    And then people turn around and wonder why monopolies are being formed, banks are getting free money, etc.

    You are the customers, and your bragging over what a company makes, not what they give you?
     
  20. May 8, 2009 #480 of 1211
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    Not going to claim to be an expert but from my understanding of things they do seem to be freeing up space to add these channels rather than turning the crank and compressing things even further.
     
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