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The official Pac-12 discussion thread

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by Stuart Sweet, Sep 17, 2012.

  1. reverett1522

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    I ordered Comcast on Sunday, have a self-install kit coming this week and will have them set up in time for Pac12 basketball. Total bill after taxes, with a DVR and extra HD receiver is $150/month with internet and phone included. Comes in $20 less than Directv and Comcast internet combined.

    The online offerings from Comcast are superior, PQ from what I have seen is fine, DVR is a little pricey, but no "lease fee" up front, and I can install it myself (already have internet from Comcast).

    Going to suspend my DTV account for the season and if I like Comcast I'll cancel DTV and pay my early termination fee, which will be made up by the cost savings with Comcast.
     
  2. widmark

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    Neither the Pac 12 nor DTV are saints in this. But the Pac 12 demanding record fees or cutting off broadcasting is creating a very bad dynamic for us fans. Compare this to DTV wanting something less than record pricing for its national subscribers, many of whom could care less about the Pac 12.

    The Pac 12 is pushing pricing up, and fracturing availability so its tough to know year by year what you can watch on any given network. Also, what the Pac 12 does will influence what other sports conferences do, so higher pricing and fracturing will broaden.
     
  3. WebTraveler

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    I don't agree here at all. First, when 4 of the top 5 distributors have it and 8 of the largest 10 distributors have it you can't support the argument that the Pac 12 is fragmenting anything.

    Second, you have self interest taking over. Directv owns the Root Sports brand 100%. They used to have Pac 12 sports all over it. Now? Almost nothing, a few basketball games airing on Fox will come to Root as an affiliate, but that's it. Did Directv give us a rebate on programming and the fact that Root is spending next to nothing to show nothing on it now? Especially Root Sports NW, can't speak entirely for the other Root outlets, but I'd imagine much of the same.

    Root Sports Northwest is so lacking in content right now that it is showing high school football from Seattle area as some of it's live programming. For goodness sake, this is ridiculous. Hey, great for the Seattle-area kids who get on TV, but for those of us in Oregon to get a Tacoma and a Seattle area school? Seriously? If I want high school football I have it in my own backyard and several games are streamed by the way, at no cost. Now sight lines are not great, but heck it's free.

    I believe that the RSN is a dying channel concept. As teams and leagues own the channels directly there is little need for the pure, unaffiliated RSN concept. Sure there is enough economy of scale in the large cities to have multiple sports channels, but here in the northwest there simply is not. Pac 12 was a HUGE chunk of the content. We have two part-time channels, CSN-NW that has the Blazers and virtually nothing else and Root NW that have the Mariners and virtually nothing else. (Ok, some soccer) There are so many gaps in the content that is incredible. Each is supposedly commanding a significant sum. Because of the self-interest (w/Root) Directv won't carry CSN-NW anyway. I don't disagree with some reports about Comcast charging too much. but when it is on dozens of other systems you do have to wonder how or why it's not on Directv (or Dish for that matter).

    I think even Fox is seeing the end....repurposing Speed as a sports channel for all sports. They see in 10 years many of their sports channels simply will not exist, or if they do they will be giving away ownership and control to the teams.
     
  4. kick4fun

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    I wonder if Directv asked for some kickbacks to offset the cost of Root Sports. I agree 100% that Soot Sports NW is complete junk now.
     
  5. WebTraveler

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    Kickbacks from whom? Directv owns 100% of Root Sports!
     
  6. kick4fun

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    You didn't understand my question.. I wonder if Directv wanted either lower pricing or some sort of kickback because they are losing revenue by owning a Sports Network that doesn't bring anything to the table (i.e. no commercial revenue because they have nothing to show).

    They probably can't afford the Pac12 Networks because they are in over their heads by owning Root Sports and now can't broadcast anything other that M's games and local high school sports. Real Bummer!
     
  7. TheRatPatrol

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    Another reason we don't need 24/7 RSNs.
     
  8. kick4fun

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    Very good point!
     
  9. widmark

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    Your math makes the fragmentation point and you can't support that there isn't growing fragmentation. 8 of 10 and 4 of 5 are less than 100% = fragmentation. Second, when each conference, professional sports network, etc has less than 100% coverage, and each deal is for a different combination of distributors, then you have a growing spaghetti of deals out there. You want Pac 12? Dish or Time Warner Cable. You want MLB, NFL, or Big 10? Then you might need Dish and DTV, or cable and Dish. With each little sports conference creating its own fifedom a la Pac 12, its going to get worse. Third, these programming deals change year to year, so even if you pick DTV thinking you have access to certain sports, it changes the next as it did here with the Pac 12. Its also getting more expensive because of record deals that the Pac 12 is driving in the marketplace.

    You may be right DTV is protecting its turf. Have no idea but I do know that the Pac 12 "No Soup For You" trick on DTV is harming you and me, and is contagious to other sports franchises if they are successful.
     
  10. WebTraveler

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    How is this different from what we had before? Want the NBA Trail Blazers, need cable. CSN NW is not on satellite. Philadelphia = same story. It is not any different than before. Oregon Ducks were on CSN-NW as well locally.....but if I want the out of town multi-sports packs that gave me the rest of the Pac 12 and other conferences then I couldn't get it all with just Comcast. I could get some, but just not all.

    Now I can get the entire Pac 12 on my dial and the internet by going w/Dish or any of the other providers, except Directv. My immediate problem is solved. I still don't get the Blazers, but decided not to go to Comcast. Msde the decision it was not worth it to me in the end.

    There will be customer fragmentation so long as sports channels cost so much.
     
  11. widmark

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    Very different!

    DTV was the king of sports availability for years, and now apparently Dish takes the crown for 2012/13, at least from a Pac 12 fan perspective. I don't care which network has the programming mix that I want, but the ever-changing deals and sports fiefdoms cropping up make it a bigger risk that you will lock yourself into a contract with cable or sat and lose programming you had when you signed.

    My situation is probably the poster child for what I am saying. I installed DTV a few mos ago and the Pac 12 games disappeared after being on DTV a long time (thanks Larry Scott). Its possible we'll have a new sports tv king in 2013/14 who knows. It never used to change this rapidly or cost so much.

    Agreed. Costs will be going up more too. Less programming, more cost is the trend. And the Pac 12 is leading the cause with their record price requirements and hardball tactics.
     
  12. WebTraveler

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    Common, really now. Directv still has Speed, Sportsman, Pursuit and this crap in lower tiers, yet it cannot carry Pac 12 in anything other than a sports tier? You could argue that car racing, fishing and the like are more niche than college football and basketball.

    A few months ago you were fully aware the games were not on Directv. You knew this when you signed up. I would agree that Directv may have been manipulative on the subject - publicly they say they want the channel, but privately they never had any intent to carry it.

    I am all for ala carte and retaining the channels I want. This way I can give up Speed, Fuel, Sportsman, Pursuit, etc. But remember the broadcasters and the distributors set up the current system - they never wanted ala carte - and they don't have it because they didn't want it.

    But ala carte would work and only work if all are treated equally. You can't say keep Speed in a lower tier package, but put Pac 12 in a sports only tier. Why would I have to pay for all that stuff on Speed, for example?

    Really now. How much is Root Sports charging for the carriage of it's channel - Root Sports NW? More than the reported 90 cents per sub. for the Pac 12. And you have tons more sports on Pac 12 then you do Root! Especially right now, in the winter. How is 90 cents a record when Laker channel wants $3.95 for a channel that is part-time....what's on in the summer? early fall? Pac 12 is at least a year round channel.
     
  13. widmark

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    I think we've established that we don't agree. I'm moving along!

    BTW, I didn't know P12 would be canned on DTV. Shame on me for not keeping up on all the mini disputes going on between franchises and carriers... or I would have picked Dish, although I'm not sure Dish had NFL yet. Thats another issue with fracturing the market so much... you need to troll forums to stay up on it.

    Good luck to you.
     
  14. woj027

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    I now know why the pac12 hasn't made a deal with directv.

    They don't want national coverage, else the whole nation would have seen the pac12 refs blow two bug calls in the OSU/UW game
    1 missed helmet to helmet call resulting in a turnover
    2 standing over the ball not letting osu snap the ball causing a delay of game

    OSU did play like garbage. And UW did play awesome. But those two calls sure hurt OSU momentum
     
  15. kick4fun

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    Huck the Fuskies!
     
  16. woj027

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    indeed.
     
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    WebTraveler

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    If that was the case the channel would not be on Dish. Dish has the same national reach as Directv.
     
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    DishNetworkNewbie

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    Hello everyone. I am new to the forum and to Dish Network as well, so I apologize in advance for what may be a stupid question and a lengthy one as well. To lay the ground work, I live in Utah and I had been with Directv for over 10 years, but I made the switch to Dish Network the first part of October for the Pac-12 Network. Everything was great until the Morning of November first. I noticed the pac-12 networks were missing from the guide and were not available. I have spent the last two days talking to various levels of Dish's support as well as the actual Dish Salesman and even the installer. I have not received the same answer twice yet. The local salesman tells me my zip code says I should get them no problem, but the actual Dish Network support guys have told me both yes and no so I don't know if they even know. I was under the understanding that with the Top 250 package that I have, I would get the channel , but some Dish techs have told me I have to buy the multi-sports package which I don't believe is the case. The last one I talked to turned the channels on for me for 3 months while I work this all out, but do you know what I should expect as part of my package 3 months from now? My parents live very nearby and still receive the channel even with a lesser package as well.
     
  19. Nov 2, 2012 #579 of 831
    bnwrx

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    Found this in an article dated 9-8-2012:
    "....Pac-12 Networks is available to all DISH customers as a free preview for a limited time. It is included in America’s Top 120+ package and above for customers in Pac-12 territory (which includes the six states with Pac-12 schools) and available nationwide in the Multi-Sport Pack for $9 per month."

    Full article here: http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/44297/dish-will-be-the-pac-12-networks-satellite-provider

    Good luck.....
     
  20. Nov 2, 2012 #580 of 831
    James Long

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    FYI: The preview of Pac-12 on DISH has ended.
     

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