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The official Pac-12 discussion thread

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by Stuart Sweet, Sep 17, 2012.

  1. James Long

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    Yesterday I said "Today is Monday." Later today I'll say "Today is Tuesday." Will I be a liar because what I say is updated to remain accurate?

    PAC-12's statements were accurate at the time they were said. It does not take a giant leap to understand that offering two carriers the same offer is completely possible ... and if one carrier accepts something exclusive it changes the offer for the second carrier. Or the offer could be the same for both carriers and one carrier could want more (or less) in the deal than offered. Regardless, in both instances it REMAINS TRUE that PAC-12 could say they made (a past tense word) the same offer to both carriers.

    I know you want to point out the differences ... but any differences you may find come from DirecTV not accepting the offer. Which is not a bad thing ... they NEED to come up with the best deal they can for their business and their customers, just like the other top carriers have come up with the best deal that they could get for their business and customers. Sometimes that takes time.
     
  2. Hoosier205

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    Proof? Source?
     
  3. James Long

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    See previous thread.
     
  4. Hoosier205

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    See previous question.
     
  5. WebTraveler

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    Shall I ask again? Show me where this was said. Seriously, if you KNOW this was said, then show it.

    Secondly, if we are playing on words, take the Directv statements that have been across the board

    In June - no plans to carry it
    In July - we are in negotiations and want to carry the channel
    In early August - "we'll have an update closer to when school starts...but we want to carry this channel"
    In late August when school has started at several Pac 12 universities - "we'll have an update closer to when school starts" ("But school has started...?" "Sir that is all the information we have")
    Then a few days later its "we'll have an update closer to when the season starts"
    Eve of season starts. Directv stops discussions and goes home.

    So who is changing the tune? Again, if Directv never had any intention of carrying the Pac 12 Network then that is OK! Just be honest about it!

    Pac 12 is not lying and as a practical matter the early signers probably did get a marginally better deal because they signed on last May! Directv gave Pac 12 the finger in May of 2011.

    Dish gets a better deal than Directv because Dish signed on and gets to hang some signs?? That's a better deal? Directv could have had this deal, but passed. I was really thinking there would be a harder push in the stadiums, etc. for Dish signups, frankly, its been very light and almost non-existent, except for a sign. That's no different than Pepsi or Coke....Carls Jr or McDonalds, etc.

    Whatever deal Dish got Directv could have received and probably better. The ONE place where Pac 12 where Pac 12 can wheel and deal is the commercial establishments since Dish and the cable companies have limited offerings in these areas. But Directv passed.

    Fact remains that (100% owned) ROOT Sports Northwest charges upwards of $3.30 plus (probably more) and had limited Pac 12 coverage...now for .80 I get the whole conference, 7 channels....Bottom line is that if Directv is worried about costs, getting it straight from Pac 12 at .80 is a MUCH better deal for the whole thing....but it destroys Directv's content in Root NW. What are they showing now? They lost 4 universities content and show high school football.....all for $3.30 plus per month. What a deal.

    Simply put, you are jealous that Pac 12 hired a sports marketing genius in Mr. Scott.
     
  6. Hoosier205

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    http://dailyemerald.com/2012/10/05/...kely-to-reach-agreement-this-football-season/

    http://arizona.sbnation.com/2012/9/19/3359710/pac-12-network-directv-letter

    Why in the world would I be jealous? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Please explain what reason I would have to be jealous that they hired Scott.

    Every single DirecTV customer, regardless of their geographic location, has a reason to take an interest in this issue. We will all pay for it, whether by the loss of available capacity or through the cost of carrying it - depending upon where it is placed.

    Larry Scott had two offers and he turned down both. If he doesn't want to tap into the 20+ million customers DirecTV has as the country's largest national provider, that's up to him. He either needs to come back with an offer that reflects his network's worth or agree to let it stand alone. If he was as confident in his product as you are, he would do that.
     
  7. WebTraveler

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    Where do these articles say the deal was different? They don't mention it at all as far as I can tell. I don't know what "fundamentally" means, but it could be so simple as the base package difference between the two providers.

    Finally, how are all the other providers able to make this work? Directv charges the same or more than most other providers...so you are suggesting that it is OK to charge more for less? Because this is what you are arguing for - in backwards terms - of course.

    Could it be that Directv charges more because it's got to cover the cost of it's NFL Sunday Ticket package?

     
  8. Hoosier205

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    Same =/= fundamentally the same
     
  9. WebTraveler

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    You are hung up on this word? Seriously. For all practical purposes this is the same deal offered. Where does it differ? Probably in three areas: (1) the fact that Directv and Dish have different base packages, (2) the deal for commercial establishments since Directv is the leader here, and (3) sports pack on Directv and Multi-sport in Dish have a little different makeup.

    You have nothing more than your personal opinion that there is a compelling difference between the two. Hardly worth splitting hairs over.
     
  10. Laxguy

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    I see it as similar to being "a little bit pregnant".

    "Substantially the same" or "Fundamentally the same" is also a judgment call- tiny in some eyes, huge in others'. It positively is not the same as "the same".
     
  11. WebTraveler

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    Perhaps, but he doesn't even know what is different and is ready to start WWIII over it! For all we know it was simple a choice of wording when said......we don't even know there is a difference!
     
  12. Hoosier205

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    We know they were lying. That is the point.
     
  13. WebTraveler

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    WE know? Who is WE? You think they are lying, but you have no proof of it, other than "fundamentally" in one sentence.
     
  14. Hoosier205

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    They claimed the deals were the same, when they were not.
     
  15. WebTraveler

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    Just a play on words.
     
  16. Mike Bertelson

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    I doubt the agreement details for the same content would be exactly the same between providers.

    Of course the proposals are not exactly the same and IMHO it makes absolutely no sense to think they would be.

    We can all agree that the proposed deals are not identical. That’s just common sense. Unless someone has something other than quotes in an interview as “proof”, I suggest we move on with the discussion and let this go for now. Let's not keep rehashing the subject.

    :backtotop

    Mike
     
  17. Dec 1, 2012 #697 of 831
    Bambler

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    Regardless of what ultimately happens, I'm actually looking forward to the day that every conference creates a network just so we can watch the fallout.
     
  18. Dec 1, 2012 #698 of 831
    Carl Spock

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    Any love here for Stanford in winning the PAC-12 championship in an exciting game against UCLA?

    Go Cardinal!
     
  19. Dec 1, 2012 #699 of 831
    Laxguy

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    A fine game! First time back to back meetings of two good FB teams, so I got to watch all the Pac12 football games I wanted to, and yesterday's was the best.

    Congrats to The Farm!!
     
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    David Ortiz

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    Boy it would have sucked to lose that one. Stanford Pac-12 Champs!!!!
     

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