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The patroit act is working.

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Steveox, Jun 16, 2004.

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  1. SAEMike

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    If I say "I hate the idiots who think Michael Moore is actually intelligent" then I would assume an intelligent person would realize that I'm talking about "the idiots who think Michael Moore is actually intelligent" and not ALL idiots.


    This is just nonsense because I never once said that. I've worked for many liberals who I thought were patriots, and I've voted for some liberals who I thought were patriots. Don't put words into my mouth.

    If the American people directly voted for the President the form of Republican government we have now would be weakened. Those in states like mine (Alaska) would be completely shut out of power. A President would be elected before we even went to the polls. (It may seem that it is that way now, but it really isn't, without the people in Florida not understanding how to pull a lever, Alaska would have sent the crucial three Bush electors to Washington) Also, it's important to note that many people vote for electors that vote for someone besides who they were pledged to vote for. A Gore elector last year refused to vote for Gore. That is NOT an unimportant thing. Direct Democracy hurts the will of ALL the people, it creates a mob mentality that shuts out the voice of the minority.

    See Simon's quote above. He's exactly right.
     
  2. HappyGoLucky

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    They are doing no such thing, again an unfounded and inaccurate exaggeration on your part. There are many various reason's to question the last presidential election, and the act of questioning it in no way suggests a "hatred for the Constitution". Your statements, however, do suggest a dislike and lack of understanding concerning the 1st Amendment.
     
  3. Tyralak

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    I have no doubt had the Founding Fathers knew there was going to be an issue with privacy, they would have included it. However, you are correct that there is no specific right enumerated in the Constitution. The Patriot act in it's current form has some big problems, however it has some good things too. The biggest good thing is the tearing down of the wall between law enforcement and intellegence services. The one that was created when some bonehead quasi-socialist liberals who were paranoid of the CIA back in the 70's decided to neuter the agency.
     
  4. Tyralak

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    Agreed. Two that come to mind almost immediatly are Ben Cohen and Henry Fonda. (not to be confused with his commie daughter)


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