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The Penn State Scandal

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  1. Nov 7, 2011 #1 of 369
    Lord Vader

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    This is not too unlike the Catholic Church priest scandal. Paterno isn't totally without blame in this, either. Regardless of whether he technically followed the law, he knew there was a serious problem. For that alone he should step down. Sorry, JoePa, but you should go.

    The indictment is attached. It's rather sickening.
     
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    phrelin

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    Paterno will be 85 next month. He was great, but he's from another time, much like I am. He should be enjoying his retirement, like me.
     
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    Anyone who had knowledge should be punished and fired.
     
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    Lord Vader

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    I agree. Emphasis on the word ANYone.
     
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    sigma1914

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    I don't care how important someone feels their job is...meaning some may fear losing their job for telling...there's some instances where no job is worth knowing kids were being molested.
     
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    cj9788

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    IMO molesting children should be a capital offense subject to the death penalty.
     
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    sigma1914

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    You're nicer than me...I'd have them castrated and tortured. Death is too nice for them.
     
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    If they had any proof that JoePa had knowledge of what was going on, the prosecutor would have him in cuffs to further his career, you could bet on that.
     
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    Lord Vader

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    Not necessarily, because knowledge doesn't equal violation of the law.
     
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    wilbur_the_goose

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    Paterno reminds me of the Germans on the 1930's. He did what was legally required, NOT what was morally required.
     
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    spartanstew

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    He did have knowledge and reported it to his superiors. But he neglected to also report it to the police.
     
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    Lord Vader

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    According to PA. law, he was obligated to report it only to his superiors.
     
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    moghedien

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    Someone like Joe Paterno only has "superiors" when it is convenient for him to have them. I doubt there is anyone in the athletic dept. Paterno could not get fired with just a phone call...
     
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    Stewart Vernon

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    Based only on known information at this point... and setting the ground rules that while we may think the guy is guilty, he has yet to be tried in court...

    Assuming he is/was guilty of these incredibly horrible crimes...

    I'm on the fence as far as Paterno goes.

    It sounds like he was within the law, reporting to his superiors... who then covered it up without Paterno knowing.

    I'm guessing and giving Paterno the benefit of the doubt... but I'm thinking his mind may have been something like this:

    Someone reports an incident with someone he has known for 50 years... an ex-coach and ex-player... so he is torn. Paterno probably saw this guy like he might one of his own sons... so my guess is that he took the complaint seriously, and reported it to his superiors and was told that they would handle it... and Paterno probably was naive and hoped it wasn't true... and when the school didn't do anything about it and covered it up... Paterno probably naively thought his friend had been cleared of wrongdoing and that was the end of it until the recent criminal investigations.

    Now... having said all that... I think for the school and Joe Pa's sakes... it would be best for Joe Pa to retire this season and distance himself as I'm sure the school would like to clean house on this one and IF Joe Pa is the kind of man I think he is (and who he has appeared to be)... I imagine he is feeling sick at the thought of this being true, being covered up, and possibly his own inaction resulting in others being put at risk in the years since the incident he was made aware of...

    That's how I see it, unless and until something more damning comes to light regarding Joe Pa. I would like to think his crime here was being naive and hoping something horrible wasn't true... and neglecting to follow up because he was told it was handled and he naively believed that meant everything was ok.
     
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    The Merg

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    One thought that I've read is that since JoePa prides himself on his moral character and honesty, that he had a greater obligation than to just report this to his superiors. In some ways, I agree with that.

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    wilbur_the_goose

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    Well said, Merg.
    I only met Paterno once - at the dedication of the Joe Paterno Child Care Center at the Nike World Campus in Oregon (I once worked at Nike). He seemed to really care about kids and about his family.

    With that in mind, I have no idea why he wouldn't have called the police or at least the county DA.
     
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    So he reported it to himself?

    Yes, he reported the incident in 2002 to the AD. He did what was legally required. But Paterno rules the sports department. Paterno is the senior employee. He is like god at Penn State. He should have done more. This guy was his #1 assistant through the 1990s. They were friends and colleagues. Paterno was the one who should have ended the predator's relationship with Penn State. Instead, he continued to have the use of the facilities through 2009.

    Talk about turning a blind eye. :nono2:

    It's a shame such a storied career has to end on such a sour note but this will be JoePa's last year as head coach of Penn State.
     
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    1980ws

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    Should be an interesting week as PSU hosts Nebraska Saturday. Pretty sure Joe will be up in the box. McCreary though will be on the sideline. That has to be uncomfortable. Kinda feel bad for him. I'm sure he knew he by reporting it he would be torpedoing the football program and or his gig with Penn State. I can't believe he could have imagined it getting swept under the rug. Young boys lives were sacrificed for the Penn State image. All involved should step down or be removed for not bringing this to a halt. I am a former Pennsylvania resident, and my sister works for the University. I have always been Penn State Proud. I could be proud again if corrections to personnel are swiftly made.
     
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    Carl Spock

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    Paterno canceled his weekly press conference and it will not be rescheduled. The athletic department had requested football only questions but I think they realized that was an impossible demand. Reporters will ask the questions they wish to.

    It's a hunker-down mentality right now at Penn State. That's not that much better a PR move. This thing could spin out of even Paterno's control.
     
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    Carl Spock

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    The NY Times is reporting that Penn State is planning Paterno's exit and that it will happen soon. He has lost the support of the board of trustees.

    I hope they let him stay until the end of the season, including any bowl game. He deserves that.
     
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