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The Penn State Scandal

Discussion in 'The OT' started by Lord Vader, Nov 7, 2011.

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  1. Herdfan

    Herdfan Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but the school that gives the extra scholarship loses one in the future. It just allows them to average 85 scholarships.
     
  2. SayWhat?

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    But he'll never know.


    I still think the wives (his and Sandusky's) should be dealt with also. There's no way you can convince me they didn't know.
     
  3. Stewart Vernon

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    But where does that end?

    Dish carries the Big Ten Network... DirecTV does too... sometimes Penn St games are on... does that make Dish and DirecTV guilty of enabling?

    What about fans who bought tickets to games, or who bought memorabilia, or who watched on TV? Are they enablers too?

    That's why I don't buy that "everyone" should be punished.

    To me... the only people who should be punished are the people who were in the chain of people who knew about Sandusky's behavior and still chose to do nothing. My understanding is that is a small circle of people, none of whom are affiliated with Penn St anymore.

    IF you could prove a booster knew directly about these incidents and was involved in the cover up... then by all means, go after the booster.

    If you're going to blame the tangentially related to the university who helped enable Penn St football... then you're going to be painting a good portion of the USA with that brush I think.
     
  4. Richierich

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    Several years ago there was a cheating scandal at FSU and Coach Bobby Bowden had Nothing to do with it at all but FSU and Bowden had 12 Wins taken away from them which catapulted Paterna into the Number 1 position.

    Joe Paterno and Penn State was protecting his Legacy and Penn State Admistrators all went along with the coverup ignoring the Victims and Future Victims which they had to know that Jerry Sandusky was a Serial Child Abuser.

    Unbelievable that intelligent grown men with an education in their respective positions would go to these lengths to cover up a Serial Pedophile. They could care less if anything happened to an innocent child in the Future by this dispicable child molester.

    Football is a Game played by Rules and the NCAA has Rules that every University has to abide by and they chose to break the Rules and got caught and are now being punished.

    Thank God that the NCAA President had the balls to administer the Penalties as this sends a clear message to all Universities that in the Future you had better have a Conscience and Play by the Rules!!!

    Glad to see that Statue of their God come down because that was what caused this Culture in the first place. He was thought of as God Like. My sister-in-law worked at Penn State for 35 years and she worshiped Joe Paterna and was always telling us how wonderful he is.

    Well, now she doesn't want to talk about Penn State or Joe Paterno, even though she did admit he was wrong in hiding Jerry Sandusky's crimes.
     
  5. SayWhat?

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    **hack-hack, cough, Catholic Church, sneeze-wheeze **
     
  6. phrelin

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    In California Chico State has football. Like Penn State it's known as bit of a party school. But it does a decent job of teaching young people using taxpayer money as I'm sure Penn State does.

    My point was when life on that kind of university campus seems to revolve around a disproportionate multimillion dollar budget for its football team or some other extra-curricular activity, something is bound to go awry.

    It's hard enough to keep a sense of perspective at a state-supported university like UCLA, but at least it has some pretty well-respected programs besides, say, basketball.

    Sure they can have sports at Penn State. But should the name Penn State be a synonym for national-champion-class college football?

    And you may say peace, but my wife was raised in a town only a short drive from State College, PA, and when I presented my point of view the peace was disturbed. Nonetheless I think this is a time for the taxpayers of that state to figure out why things could go so wrong and how they created the monster - not Sandusky, but a government institution that feared doing the right thing.
     
  7. fluffybear

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    and how does that hurt Joe? It doesn't, Joe died before these punishments were handed out so vacating victories will effect his legacy but did nothing for the man himself.

    Record books will probably still reflect his name at the top (for NCAA Div I) but with a * next to his name and the notation that 112 victories were vacated.
     
  8. fluffybear

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    I believe in 1988 & 1991, Oklahoma & Auburn both were hit with a TV Ban. Rather than being hit with a symbolic (& IMHO meaningless) vacating of victories, I would rather have seen the program hit with a TV ban for 3 or 4 years.
     
  9. 1980ws

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    I know someone who is an administrator with Penn State. They had a few dealings with Sandusky's 2nd Mile organization a bunch of years back, therefore they were interviewed by the Freeh people. Through them I knew Paterno ruled the roost. If it involved football, players or coaches, Paterno knew what was going on. Knowing that, I wasn't surprised by this report.I don't think you had to be physically close to the University to know that, just following the program it was pretty evident.
     
  10. dpeters11

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    Depending on what you mean by punishment, 98-99% of those involved with the university seriously had no knowledge of these happenings, or had any say in the power that Paterno had.

    As for the death penalty, it seems the NCAA was going to give them a 4 year death penalty.

    http://www.wlwt.com/news/national/R...lty/-/9837944/15722460/-/103hg3g/-/index.html
     
  11. Lord Vader

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    IMHO, the NCAA copped out, letting Penn St. essentially off the hook. The Death Penalty should have been instituted.
     
  12. dpeters11

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    Which is a misnomer, but then I don't think a true death penalty for the program would be warranted and don't see where it would. 4 year "death penalty", yes.
     
  13. Richierich

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    It sends a Message to other Coaches and Universities that similar behaviour will Not be Tolerated so they had better think twice when thinking about not doing the right thing and reporting crimes or abuse to the Police for Investigation.
     
  14. spartanstew

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    More so than the firings, imprisonment, and hundreds of millions of dollars in lawsuits? BS.
     
  15. Sharkie_Fan

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    Generally, I agree with you. The legal proceedings & punishments will cause much more pain to the parties involved than these NCAA punishments - especially considering no one involved is still affiliated with the school.

    However... rumor has it that Sandusky was the worst kept secret in the NCAA - which means there's probably more people on campus than the 4 primary players in this drama who knew there was something fishy going on. So I think some punishment to the institution is in order.

    Second point, along those same lines... The people involved were more concerned with their standing in the NCAA, and the health of their program, etc, than they were the legal ramifications of the situation. IF they report Sandusky from the start, they're not in any legal trouble, but how many moms want to send their kids to the school that had the pedophile on staff. Rather than worry about the legal ramifications, these coaches chose to worry about what it would mean in the court of public opinion.

    So... if there's other coaches thinking of covering something up in order to keep their public image clean... "maybe" the NCAA sanctions do have some positive effect. To a rational mind, it would seem not, but if there are other coaches of the same mind as Paterno & his cronies, then "maybe" these sanctions do some good.
     
  16. fluffybear

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    except vacating of victories is a common occurrence with NCAA sports. Given not on the same scale as what Joe Paterno was hit with but schools and coaches have even been forced to vacate NCAA championships so I really see it more of the cost of doing business than anything.

    Maybe something to consider is a 'Ban for Life' from NCAA athletics rather than vacating of victories.

    I went and looked online at a number of record sites and as I thought, Joe Paterno is still listed with 408 but with a small notation at the bottom stating that Penn State was forced to vacate 112 victories. So, vacating of victories is really nothing more than just a notation.
     
  17. Richierich

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    I Totally Agree!!!

    Penn State Officials chose incorrectly to protect the Reputation of their beloved school and it's $100 Million Football Program and the Legacy of having the Winningest Coach of all time and to ignore laws and Rules of the NCAA so the Punishment is Valid and Welcomed as it is just one of the Deterrents to Coaches and Administrators in the Future that if you don't Play By The Rules you must be willing to accept the consequences.
     
  18. spartanstew

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    I don't disagree with you, but if there were more people involved than the 4 primary individuals I still believe those individuals need to be punished, not everyone that wasn't involved.

    As to your second point, NCAA sanctions have been going on for a long time and yet infractions still occur. Mainly because the NCAA always punishes the program even though the guilty parties are in most cases, not longer a part of the institution - they continue to punish those that didn't have anything to do with it, just like in this case. And clearly that policy hasn't had much effect so far.

    These actions won't deter anything. Just imagine if this had happened 20 years ago when JoPa still had 20 years of coaching left. He wouldn't have died, but would simply have gone to another school and continued his coaching, while all those (innocents) left at Penn State received the punishment. Happens all the time and anyone that thinks any of these actions will be a deterrent for anything is fooling themselves and is oblivious to how college athletics actually works (rightly or wrongly).
     
  19. Sharkie_Fan

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    Generally, I would agree with you 100%. In this case, I only agree 99% with you. :) I agree 100% with the fact that the NCAA punishes institutions and not individuals because more often than not the individuals involved have left the program by the time violations come to light. If they could find a way to punish the individuals, their punishments could be far more effective.

    I guess I'm just holding onto some sliver of hope (no matter how thin) that the scope of the sanctions just "might" be enough to get the attention of the rest of the schools in the NCAA.

    If I was a betting man, I wouldn't put money on it... as you said, NCAA violations happen all the time, and the offending coaches and players leave while the school they were at takes the punishment.

    Time will tell if the NCAA did enough to get coach's and administrator's attention. The odds are definitely against it, but I think that the punishment was harsh enough to warrant a "maybe". Not likely, but maybe.
     
  20. James Long

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    So what happens when the next Jerry Sandusky is found? If one of those schools figures out that they too had a cretin in the shadows for a decade? If they come clean now do they get to keep their wins? If they are found out will they face the same punishment?

    There may be another Jerry out there abusing kids that won't get turned in because the next school wants to protect themselves from the punishment.
     
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