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The Penn State Scandal

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  1. Sharkie_Fan

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    Penn State wasn't punished because of Jerry Sandusky's actions. Penn State was punished because for 10 years they KNEW what Sandusky was doing and they actively hid his behavior. They were punished for their own actions. Had they turned in Sandusky in the first place, I don't think they would have faced any sanctions.

    If the next school finds a scumbag in their midst and then turns him over to the proper authorities, I wouldn't anticipate any punishment from the NCAA. If, however, they discover a scumbag and actively cover it up, I suspect the next punishment will be harsher than this one.
     
  2. Tom Robertson

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    I tend to agree with Sharkie; the key is who hides the information and for how long. If "the school" actively turns someone in and isn't shown to have hid the information for an extended time*, then they likely won't be punished.

    *Obviously they will not publish anything until a proper investigation is completed. They also do not want to be wrong in an accusation.

    Where things get gray right now is what if the next head coach new but didn't tell anyone for an extended time. Do his stats get adjusted but not the school's?

    Peace,
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  3. Stewart Vernon

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    Just to be real for a moment... IF we truly have to send *that* message, then the message will not be heard.

    It's like... the local news stories about child safety... where they "teach" parents not to leave their kids in hot cars... and they honestly (and this is SO sad) give the recommendation that you "put something important like your purse in the back seat next to your child" as a "reminder" to check on the child.

    Seriously... the kid isn't important enough to remember, but you'd never forget your purse in the hot car, right? So put the purse with the kid so you won't forget the kid!

    Sadly... in a world where you have to teach that "technique"... I think we are too far gone to be redeemed.

    And back to topic... IF universities really have to be told "don't cover up child molestation by your employees" then we are beyond redemption.
     
  4. Tom Robertson

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    I guess Penn State needed that message. :(

    Yes, it is incredible to think someone would need this message.

    That said, it might apply most to someone who thinks, "I might have seen something, but is not sure." With this message, hopefully they will be more proactive and report that "something" might have happened. And the investigators would be more diligent in their investigation.

    Peace,
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  5. Sharkie_Fan

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    When this story originally broke, there was plenty of debate as to whether Penn State had done "enough". The question at hand, initially, was whether - like a game of telephone - the message had been watered down along the way, to the point that the report the administrators received didn't warrant any further action.

    I think the message being sent is not so much "don't cover up for a pedophile", as it is "get your house in order" or "don't let the inmates run the asylum".

    If someone thinks they saw something, they better report it. And if administration takes a report, they darn sure better investigate. Because if it comes out that - either by action or purposeful inaction - you covered up some wrongdoing, the NCAA is going to drop the hammer on your head.
     
  6. Herdfan

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    It is being reported today that Penn State will no long use Neil Diamond's song Sweet Caroline at football games. University officials deny that this decision has anything to do with the lyrics. These lyrics include:

    "Reaching out, touching me, touching you."

    Do they really think people are that stupid to believe the decision has nothing to do with the lyrics? :(
     
  7. Rich

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    They were stupid enough to think they could get away with ignoring Sandusky's perversity. Can't even begin to imagine how deeply that stupidity is rooted in their "culture".

    Rich
     
  8. Nick

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    Who knew? I used to sing that song all the time -- never, ever would have associated it with pedophilia. :shrug:
     
  9. AntAltMike

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    The Pedophile's Anthem (and supposedly, the 25th most played song of the last 30 years):

    [youtube]4aWhn0Hc8ps[/youtube]
     
  10. Nick

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    Who knew? I used to sing that all the time -- never, ever would have associated it with pedophilia. :shrug:
     
  11. Herdfan

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    Taken by itself, neither would I. But in the setting of the Penn State scandal .........
     
  12. ckbckb

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    I agree. This is a matter for the criminal justice system & civil courts. I know most folks are happy the NCAA hammered them. As much as I want to see justice done, I don't think the NCAA had any role here & stepped way, way out of their lane. Dangerous precedent set for who knows what in the future.
     
  13. moghedien

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    Unfortunately, the people who did have a role in reporting these crimes at PSU did nothing. In fact, if these PSU officials had their way, Jerry Sandusky would be free and still molesting kids. PSU officials did not coverup these crimes because they are fans of pedophilia, but to protect the football program. It may be naive, but the NCAA would like their member universities to report crimes like this, not cover them up and ignore them.
     
  14. Lord Vader

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    So Penn State, which traditionally accepts papers of its alumni, won't accept Senator Rick Santorum's, who's both an alumnus and a U.S. Senator of that state.

    Pennsylvania State University has reportedly rejected a donation from Santorum, who tried to donate his papers to the university, but the powers-that-be in Happy Valley turned them away.

    “I don’t know where they are now,” Santorum said. “Off in a warehouse or something. They didn’t want ’em.” Penn State officials have not responded to a request for comment, but the university’s library lists “papers of alumni” as one of its major collecting areas.

    The Penn State library holds collections and papers that touch on a variety of controversial individuals and subjects, including a collection of posters that document student opposition to the Vietnam War; a special collection classified as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender and Queer History, which contains the personal papers of a number of individuals; and former Penn State football coach Joe Paterno’s personal papers.
     
  15. Stewart Vernon

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    And that has what to do exactly with the Penn St child abuse scandal?
     
  16. fluffybear

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    My guess was LV was pointing out that Penn State has no problems keeping the papers of disgraced coach, Joe Paterno (who was not Alumni) but not a respected member of the House & Senator who served the people of Pennsylvania for 16 years.

    While it may not have a direct link to the scandal itself it does have an indirect link, as it shows how much this school's priorities are messed up.
     
  17. James Long

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    I suspect that Joe had a greater impact on Penn State than Rick has. Perhaps a source on the claim Vader has posted might help determine who would even write such a story. The "I hate Penn State" website? Or some other place with obvious leanings?

    Perhaps news about the scandal would be appropriate where generic "Penn Stete is bad" comments are really off topic.
     
  18. sigma1914

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    After a quick Google search of direct and uncited quotes from LV, it's from the very right wing and conservative National Review Online. It's never good to plagiarize without citing the work.

    Source: http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...tedly-rejected-santorum-papers-eliana-johnson
     
  19. Nick

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    It's never good to plagiarize, period. :rolleyes:
     
  20. AntAltMike

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    I had done the same search and found the same single source. I don't have any reason to doubt that Santorum told his source that he had attempted to donate his papers, but the nature of the attempt and the nature of Penn State's refusal cannot be gleaned from those comments.

    One thing that surprised me is that this hot button story hasn't yet even been "echoed". I remember when some Iraqi militants had killed a tennis player in Bahgdad and an article claimed they did so "because he was wearing tennis shorts", I kept searching for that story usiing a few unique names that would necessarily be found in and unique to any follow up, and while it was posted on a few hundred think-alike sites within an hour, hit nearly 1,000 by the end of the day, and I stopped re-searching for it when it topped 2,000, not one of the typically first 40 to 50 finds listed added anything to the article. They just rebroadcast it. No source I found ever added anything to it, other than to host reader "comment" strings regarding who was right and who was wrong.

    Searching for Santorum, Penn and papers did lead me to a February article hosted on a CBS affiliate website in which Santorum said Penn professors had unfairly graded some of his work as a student because they found it politically objectionable to them.

    A Penn library site says they presently host about 1,200 collections of alumni "papers", and while I'm sure that Penn would love to be the lucky recipient of Arlen Specter's papers, as much as I can glean from what little has been posted about Santorum's papers is that they would be a collection of the undergraduate writings of his that he says were unfairly graded.

    Boo, hoo, hoo!
     
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