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Discussion in 'The OT' started by Lord Vader, Nov 7, 2011.
What an arrogant ass Paterno is:
Can somebody give Bobby Bowden a new job so he can end up as the all-time winningest coach. Paterno does not deserve that honor.
He's right though. They should be spending time on trying to decide what to do with the university VP and AD since they were actually charged and determining what they need to do to make sure that policy and procedures are followed in the future.
Anyone and everyone involved in this, Paterno, included, should be on the Board's agenda, and every one of them ought to be disposed of post haste.
Once again, what did Paterno do that he shouldn't have that violated a law or university policy? I'll again say, that I think he should have done more, but he didn't violate any law or policy.
Yeah, see that's where I sit too... The guy who witnessed the abuse, the AD, the vice-president, and the president of the university... all of those people are people actually in a position to enforce something or stop the abuse or call the police.
Joe Paterno hasn't been accused of witnessing anything. At best JoePa's testimony is corroborating that a witness came to him the next day... JoePa told his superiors... but the guy wasn't working for him, he had no authority directly over that guy anymore, and he didn't witness anything personally. From a legal standpoint, JoePa really wouldn't have any ground to stand on if he had tried to do more.
BUT... as I said before, if *I* were in his shoes, I would have wanted to know more was done... I just can't chastise him for not being me.
I keep coming back to that as well. How do you witness something like that and not intervene? And not immediately call police OR at least call people on campus to intervene right at that moment.
And JoePa is taking a lot more heat for not following up... than the guy who actually was in the best position to actually have stopped an abuse-in-progress. It's confusing.
And that is the flip side... In this case, however, we do seem to have a previous admission of guilt by Sandusky... so at a bear minimum we can probably judge him on his past admitted transgressions, even if all the new stuff doesn't pan out.
I do remember the outrage about the LaCrosse situation, though... and you can't take some of that back IF the evidence doesn't prove the case.
Of course there's also the school of thought (like in the OJ trial) that says just because you don't get a guilty verdict doesn't mean he didn't do it.
BUT... most people oddly aren't even talking about Sandusky here. That's what is odd. I see more people outraged at Joe Paterno than Sandusky... more people saying JoePa should have done something than the guy who actually witnessed Sandusky doing something to a kid.
I'm not going to rail about JoePa being treated unfairly when we have multiple kids being victimized... *that* should be the story... but it just bears mentioning that it seems JoePa should be further down the blame train to me than he seems to be.
Maybe... but that doesn't mean his statement is wrong. Penn St shouldn't be discussing what to do with Joe Paterno. Penn St should be discussing why the AD, VP, and president didn't do more when this was fist reported to them. Penn St should be discussing why they never approached the family of that victim to help or investigate. Penn St should be discussing why this guy was around the program after he no longer worked there AND had incidents in 1994 and 1998 that they should also have known about apparently.
As for Paterno retiring at the end of the season... Honestly, that feels right to me and here's why.
I think he should step down. Regardless of if he has blame or not, he is attached to this... and it will do no one any good for him to continue. Penn St needs to clean house (including the AD, VP, and President in my opinion) and try to move forward with a better plan in place to deal with such things in the future.
BUT... for those saying Paterno should step down now... because taking the field this weekend will mean questions will be asked about the abuse and not the game.
I say... Good. Questions should be asked. I feel bad for the current players and students attending Penn St... but they shouldn't be able to just "get back to football" after a scandal like this.
The rest of this season at minimum... they should have to field lots of awkward and uncomfortable questions about this... and I think the best way to have that happen is for Paterno to be front and center for the remaining games this season. His team is 7-1 or 8-1, so they will be talked about a LOT... and I think the university has earned the negative attachment to the rest of the season that they should have to field.
IF they dismiss Paterno now... they will try to get on with football, and say "let's talk football, we have a new coach to move forward" or some nonsense like that...
For the families who keep asking why it isn't about their sons who were victims of Sandusky... Penn St shouldn't be able to just sweep this clean and go on talking about football.
That's why I actually think it is proper for Paterno to finish the season, so Penn St can't run from the scandal they have allowed to fester here.
Probably because that's a done deal. Nothing to talk about. He can't even be alone with his own grandkids.
You said it perfectly!
The biggest reason Paterno shouldn't be allowed to coach the Nebraska game this weekend:
The game will then be all about him. It will be his last home game as coach, and maybe his last game, period. The game itself and the players will fade into the background.
For Penn State football program to rebuild, it has to focus on the sport, the atheletes and the university. This Saturday is Senior Day after all, a chance for the graduating players to celebrate four great years of playing Penn State football, and for the university to honor these student atheletes.
Joe Paterno can't be there if that is to happen. He has to go away.
As much as I'd like to let him have a dignified exit, I'm not sure that is possible now. Any dignity Paterno can salvage won't be found on the field on Saturday, and he can't exit when he's getting ovations from the Penn State faithful in the stands.
Here in Philly, most callers to sports radio are strongly in favor of Penn State forfeiting to Nebraska this weekend. I'm with them.
Please delete this if you see fit:
I'm Catholic, and now the rest of the country knows how we've felt for years now. Anger, disgust, shame, and unabated sorrow. May we each help the victims by saying a prayer for them and their families.
I heard a guy on sports talk radio talking the same thing, that Penn State should not play their last three games this season.
Now this is taking it too far. We should now hurt the Penn State football players who had absolutely nothing to do with this?
People need to remember the healing power of sports. The NFL got a huge amount of grief for holding games on the Sunday after JFK was assassinated. It turned out to be a exactly the correct decision. It was a sign that the world could be normal again at some time in the future. The same was true for the Yankees game after 9/11. A football game on Saturday will be the first step toward make Happy Valley happy again.
While he may have no direct culpability, where was the curiosity? This guy was one of his assistants whom he worked closely with. He should have been outraged that it happened at his school by someone he had been close to.
Instead he just went on with his life. If this story were being told about a no name coach at a small school, would people be as easy on him?
No way! Don't punish the kids who play at PSU for the actions of the staff.
Paterno knew. That fact is irrefutable. Moreover, as deep as this whole abuse thing looks in hindsight that it was, there is no plausible way for multiple people to have known SOMEthing was up, and each of these persons, JoePa included, deserves to be dismissed and forever scorned.
Once again, did you read the indictment? JoePa was told by one person of an incident and he reported it. There is nothing out there that says that JoePa knew of any kind of history of this with Sandusky. The VP was aware of a prior incident, but that was it.
The PSU president is now gone and Paterno is banned from coaching.
The healing has begun, and with that I fully support playing the game this weekend.
I may be omitting something, and if I am please forgive me... but I was thinking about this earlier... and my thoughts go in roughly this order:
1. Thoughts for the alleged victims of Sandusky's abuses.
2. Thoughts for the families of those victims.
3. Thoughts for victims and families of other similar yet-to-be-reported abuses who are watching the circus here to see if they should come forward.
4. Thoughts for non-Sandusky victims and families who have suffered in the past or are suffering right now, and want to see how this is handled to build hope that they might have something happen for them.
5. Current players, students, and other people at Penn St or around the university who had nothing to do with this, and have no prior knowledge, but will probably be painted with a brush just for having been around when this story broke.
6. My thoughts of Joe Paterno being blamed a little bit more than I think he should.
So... while a lot of my actual posts here have been about JoePa... he is no better than 6th in a list of things that concern me and thoughts.
I just felt that was worth expressing... because as many of us have noted, the big story for those of us not directly affected by the abuses, is the sports story... but there is a much bigger and more important story yet to be fully told as the legal stuff sorts out....
And at the end of the day... even with my thoughts on the fence for JoePa... IF the university unceremoniously dumped him along with the other administrators... I have a ceiling on how sorry I can feel for him, when all the other stuff is considered.
So long, Coach Paterno.
Board of Trustees just announced that they've severed ties with Joe Paterno.
Thank God this part's over.
I'll always remember him as a great coach, leader and teacher of young men.