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Discussion in 'The OT' started by Lord Vader, Nov 7, 2011.
Could murder be involved in this, too, or is this just a weird coincidence?
Methinks there is much more to this still developing story than we know right now.
In the last few posts, the possibility of both the pimping of young boys and murder by Sandusky has been brought up.
Did he also kill JFK? Could he have been the 20th hijacker?
Vader, you have been good to keep the focus on the victims. All of this wild speculation takes away from what should be the focus of this tragedy: they young boys.
And just turns this whole event into even more of a circus.
It's not a circus when a district attorney who was directly involved in this case goes missing in what is believed to be foul play. I find it amazing the lengths to which you will go to lessen any kind of negative impact on Paterno.
And that, in a nutshell, is why I think they should forfeit the rest of the season. It would send a strong message about the 'code of silence' crap.
This is not a sports scandal; it's a sexual abuse and conspiracy scandal. The current players shouldn't be penalized for the actions of those before them.
That is the type of 1950's solution which I would have expected from the two of them. I guess when you mix people whose values were set in the 1950's with those whose values were set after 1980, nothing gets done.
One of my pet grammar gremlin peaves.
Don't you mean "peeves"? :biggrin:
Two can play at this game. Be careful.
Everyone should read the Sandusky Grand Jury Report..http://cbschicago.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sandusky-grand-jury-presentment.pdf
Very disturbing and Paterno knew a little boy was raped in the shower and passed it on to the AD as fooling around. Big difference.
The report is already in this thread. It was in my original post.
On a tangent...
There were some students (and others) last night... apparently angry enough over the firing of Paterno that they overturned a news truck and did some other damage.
Ok... so... firing Paterno outrages them that much... but not the alleged abuse of kids?
Just thinking out loud... as abhorrent as most people feel about this kind of abuse of kids... when was the last time you heard of a riot protesting a child molester?
We live in a weird era and country where people overturn trucks and start fires when a coach is let go, when their team wins, when their team loses... but violence to children apparently doesn't outrage those same people enough to protest that.
These are college students. They're stupid and ignorant. What should we expect?
First... we don't "know" what Paterno knew and didn't know. McQueary says he told Paterno the details of what he saw. Paterno says McQueary told him there was "inappropriate sexual behavior", but never gave him details. It's he said, he said, and neither of them are particularly pleasant characters in this drama.
Both Paterno and McQueary fall into the same boat, in my eyes. Good for you for making the initial reports. Shame on you for not following up when it became apparent that nothing was happening. That should have been a huge red flag that the authorities weren't alerted... which suggests that they both knew the authorities weren't alerted, and didn't care. And that, of course, overlooks the fact that McQueary didn't stop Sandusky when he saw him initially.
Quite honestly, though, I fail to see how what Paterno reported really has any bearing on how bad the situation is. "Inappropriate behavior" or "Inappropriate sexual behavior" or "sex in the shower".. it all should have resulted in several phone calls being made without a second thought. Police, CPS, etc, etc, etc.
I think Paterno is being assigned more blame than he deserves - this goes all the way to the top, and Paterno is just one piece of the puzzle. It seems to me like a well orchestrated game of 'telephone' gone bad. With each rung of the ladder, the offense gets watered down, so that now everyone can deny that the knew the extent of what was going on. And the more information comes out, it seems that what we know right now of the offenses may actually be just the tip of the iceberg, which is a really scary thought.
Add to that the fact that most of them probably believe Joe Paterno can walk on water.
And then they want to argue that reporting the incident to the AD somehow absolves him of any culpability in the situation.
Plus, it's a reason to go out late at night and act like an idiot. Isn't that what college is all about?
Most college students, including all of the ones in this situation, have no concept of what I call the real world. They often feel invulnerable, sometimes above the law and what goes on out there, and have this know-it-all attitude. I'm sure I was like that to a certain degree when I was in college.
Wait till they graduate, try and get a job, but especially when they live on their own without the help of Mom & Dad.
I suppose... but, wasn't McQueary a "graduate assistant" (i.e. a college student) at the time he witnessed that event?
And don't we all pretty much agree that he should have known better than to leave that situation alone as he did?
I'm just pointing out... these students who are madder over Paterno and turning over truck... they grow up to be tomorrow's AD, VP, President, and Board members who let these events happen or cover them up.
So if we aren't surprised and don't expect more of them... we shouldn't be surprised when they become adults who condone or cover up a scandal like this.
The problem with this analogy is that Paterno WAS the top. Maybe not officially, but he was the de facto head of the Athletic Department and may as well have been President of the university. He had that much power.
Why did he not follow up and how did he feel seeing Sandusky around the campus with young boys knowing what he knew?
McQueary was 28 at the time, far different from a 19 or 20 year old college student, also 6'4" and over 200 pounds. He should have acted to protect that boy immediately, and he should have called the police immediately after that.
I thought my post was about Sandusky and his victims. I didn't realize P-a-t-e-r-n-o was spelled S-a-n-d-u-s-k-y. My bad.
Vader, you have to have an iota of evidence before you try to connect Sandusky to the DA's disappearance. You don't have bubkes.
Instead, the DA disappears 7 years after the Sandusky case. It's safe to say he worked on hundreds, if not thousands of other cases, many with felons more violent than this pediophile. Why would Sandusky even want to harm him? He was never charged. What would be his motive for killing the DA, Vader? I can't see one. I'd say you are trying to connect the dots, but there aren't even any dots here to connect.
If you'd done the minimum amount of research and gone to even Wikipedia, you would have found out that the are no clues as to the disappearance of the DA, Ray Gricar, and in fact the family thinks that it may have been suicide.
And, BTW, here's is the non-sensational source to the article you posted, written by a newsman rather than by a flame thrower.
Beyond that, read the book (starting pg 51). See the movie (or at least the TV episode).