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Tiger Woods Athlete of the year?

Discussion in 'Sports Programming and Events' started by Rich, Aug 19, 2007.

  1. saltrek

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    Well now you've got me curious... which countries have laws that would not allow you to express an opinon about Tiger Woods?
     
  2. DawgLink

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    Yes in both sports

    3 times in baseball leading to the knife thus ending my career after a stint beyond college.

    No in either.

    Slightly over-dramatic.

    But yes, I have had tears streaming down my face on the course before....not from pain but from pressure
     
  3. Rich

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    You might think it is overly dramatic, but it's true.

    Tears over a golf game. How much did you have bet on the game?
     
  4. Rich

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    You don't, but you gain an appreciation for the Constitution when you swear to uphold it with your life if necessary. I have kept a copy of the Constitution in my bedroom for years and refer to it quite often. The first amendment to the Constitution guarantees me my right to free speech and in your post (#3) you said I did not have that right (or words to that effect).
     
  5. Rich

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    I said in my first post that this was not about Tiger, but about the fact that a golfer had been named Athlete of the Year.

    Read post #3 of this thread and that should put the answer you rererred to in the proper context.

    If Derek were the best golfer in the world and Tiger the best ball player in the world and Derek was picked as the Athlete of the Year, I would still question that choice. Has nothing to do with the person, just the concept of a golfer being named Athlete of the Year.
     
  6. Rich

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    How do you pull a hammy golfing? This is not a sarcastic question, I find this interesting. I have pulled a hammy reaching for the last ball in a bucket of balls sitting on the ground. Now when I hit balls, I stack two buckets below the bucket I am using. Wasn't a bad pull, nothing popped, but I was aware of the hammy and when you know its there, that's when you really pop it.
     
  7. Rich

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    Were you operated on all three times for the RC? I gather you were a pitcher, and you must have been a good one if you kept trying after operations. Mine really started acting up towards the end of my playing days. I could still make the throws from SS or 3rd without pain, but if I was playing LF (my favorite position) and I made a long, hard throw the pain would literally knock me to my knees. You know what that pain is like. For awhile, I could make one throw an inning, but the last two years it was one throw a game. Then I ruptured my left Achilles tendon playing racquetball (that really hurt) and then broke my left leg jumping over a fence in left field. Crushed my left shoulder while my leg was breaking. Never felt a bit of pain. Odd, no?

    Anyhow, that was it. I just hit baseballs out of my hand now. At least once a week lately (during soft ball season, I think) I have been asked to play or DH for a team. Can't bear the thought of the pain.
     
  8. DawgLink

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    I went under the knife only once. I meant that I had dealt with Cuff issues 3 times in my playing career including several months of rehab twice without being cut open. The last time I went under the knife, I got released and thus decided to pursue another career. I just couldn't go through it again.

    Was hitting a bunker shot with one foot in and the other out...needed to swing as hard as I could....swung and put tremendous stress on my right hamstring...baam...hurt like hell.

    What is true? Fall down after making a throw and have tears running down your face? Dude, what are you talking about? Players fall down making throws all the time....I have never seen anyone with tears in their eyes after plays like that. The player would probably be laughed off the team he plays for if he did that.
     
  9. purtman

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    I can relate to a lot of this. Pulled a hammy, tore a rotator cuff, tore a rib muscle and broke a rib on the same play, had a tooth knocked out while playing hockey in five-degree temperatures outside, and ended up breaking a total of 13 bones, and tearing ligaments in both ankles. It's one thing to throw the ball from the outfield grass behind third and then suddenly not be able to reach first from the inside of the bag because every time you throw it feels like a knife is cutting into your muscles.

    Golfing can be enduring. Auto racing can be enduring. But so was putting up a large play set for my kids. So was unloading a houseload of furniture and then driving it halfway across the country without sleep.

    I don't consider golf a "true" sport in the way I do the others. I certainly don't consider auto racing an "athletic" endeavor. As I had said to somebody before, I've never had a physical therapist or doctor tell me to get in shape by driving down the highway at high speeds. "First start out by driving out of driveway. Then when you feel a little better, drive around the block. After a few weeks, we'll increase the reps. I want you to drive to the mall and back. Then we'll get you on highway driving when we feel you're ready." I ended up tearing my rotator cuff in a head-on collision. Is that considered a "sports injury"?

    Try playing a two-hour hockey game if you want athleticism. It's the only sport where your feet do not touch the ground. Imagine trying to go out for a one-to-two-minute sprint every few minutes with an extra 20 pounds of pads on you, trying to hit a small rubber puck, and avoiding getting slashed, checked into the boards, or knocked to the ice.

    Try hitting a 95-mph fastball with movement on it. I can't imagine somebody doing that after a six-pack of beer. Yet golfers do it all the time.

    Sorry, guys. I just can't buy Tiger as athlete of the year.

    As far as the tears from a throw, I can imagine that. When I tore my rotator cuff, it was so bad that I couldn't even move my fingers on a keyboard without extreme pain shooting from my neck to my hand.
     
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    The...
    !rolling :lol: :rolling: :hurah:
     
  11. DawgLink

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    We have players that do it all the time both throwing and hitting.

    Signed,
    David Wells
     
  12. Rich

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    OK, you are beginning to try my patience. I told the truth about the pain in my shoulder hurting so much it brought tears to my eyes. What were you a pitcher? Every read Ted Williams's opinions of pitchers? He didn't think they were ballplayers and you certainly never played the outfield. Think back to how much pain you felt pitching 60' and then try to imagine throwing a strike to the catcher from deep left field. Nobody ever laughed me off a ball field. They knew how much pain I was in. And I played every inning of every game I played in (if I could walk) since I was 10 years old. And never hit less than .500 in a season in any of the many leagues I played in. When I was 40 I played at least a game every night (weather permitting) and parts of others and double headers every Saturday and Sunday. And worked at least a 40 hour week.

    What I said was the pain drove me to my knees. Do you need a translator?

    How many 6'4" 220 pound players who refuse to tolerate fools have you seen get laughed off a ball field. I played with a lot of professional players who did not make the Majors and believe me, nobody laughed at me. And I had a chance to play professionally. When I was asked I had already signed all the papers to join the Navy.

    Think of that day when you pulled the hammy in the bunker. If you had been at third could you have crawled to home and scored? Did you wrap it in elastic bandages and go out the next day and play another round of golf? I used to wrap my leg up and play 1st. As long as I could walk, I played.

    When I played SS, I usually had my personal first baseman. Needed a guy with the cojones to catch the throw. He broke his ankle in the first inning of a game once and played the whole game after wrapping it up. He was a Marine. And he had tears running down his face from the pain by the end of the game. Strangely, nobody laughed him off the field either.

    Ever throw someone out from deep in the outfield? Never mind, I won't believe you anyhow. All I did was tell the truth and you threw it back in my face. Easy to do sitting in front of a computer, isn't it. Do me a favor and don't answer this post. I'm not going to believe anything you write anyhow. Infer from that statement what you will.
     
  13. Rich

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    Thanx, that puts golf in the proper perspective. My father used to hustle drunk golfers, just as I used to hustle drunk pool players.

    Never played hockey. Was sitting in a bar with the best ball player I ever played with waiting to go to a poker game and a hockey game was on the TV. I said to him that I couldn't imagine being able to skate well enough to play the game, never mind carrying the weight of the pads and playing on those awful hockey skates. He turned to me and said it is really a difficult SPORT and he only made it to whatever passes for the minor leagues in Hockey. But he played professionally. Impressed me so much. I tried to beat him at every sport I could think of and finally got him in an Olympic sized pool and beat him. Beat him at sprints and distance. God, that made me feel good. Only thing that kept him from playing pro baseball was the coke bottle glasses that he had to wear. And he played Baseball, Hockey, Football and Lacrosse in college. Great athlete.
     
  14. Rich

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    Now you've stooped to taking David Wells' name in vain. That's just vile. Mainly because of you I am now going to ask a Moderator to close this thread. Thought it might spark some interesting arguments but your comments border on the ridiculous. I never met a person in my life that could play baseball well and safely after comsuming two or three beers never mind a six pack. Or play Hockey or Football or any other of the real sports. Bet you can drive a car after consuming vast amounts of alcohol. And talk on the phone while driving drunk. Vile, just vile.

    Doug, Tom, Earl please close this thread.
     
  15. purtman

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    Lacrosse players are usually pretty good in hockey. Just imagine as you try to cut the corner to try to get a shot on goal and somebody takes a shot at your skates. The guys in the NHL who fall down and get right up at full speed are amazing!
     
  16. DawgLink

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    I believe you about your pain & suffering. I just don't think it has anything to do with current players in baseball thus using it as some sort of comparison to golf is apples to oranges.

    None because nobody ever was crying including injuries such as tearing hamstrings, torn RC's, broken legs, & even a torn ACL/MCL.

    If I was pitching, would I have still gone out? I don't know, if it was late in the game and we had some good Middle Relief men, I probably would have turned it over to them. If not, I could have stomached another inning.

    If I was playing in a tournament such as the Masters or US Open, I would have sucked it up and played another round if need be.

    Yes.

    I am not sure where I threw anything back in your face.

    You completely over-exaggerated a situation in baseball and made it seem like a daily occurance in the sport when it rarely happens.

    Having played at several leagues, I just wanted to make sure people were't under the assumption that everybody is somehow crying in pain every game.
     
  17. Rich

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    I didn't realize how demanding Lacrosse was until I watched a tournament at Rutgers. Wow. Too much running for me.
     
  18. purtman

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    rich584, lacrosse looks like a great sport to play. It's like hockey but while running. I just hated the running part. When I was playing hockey regularly, I was a fairly solid 242 to 245 (I'm 6-3 1/2). It was nice. I asked one of the guys where I could buy some shoulder pads. He looked at me with a little bit of shock on his face and said, "you're not wearing shoulder pads?". What ended up happening was I then broke my ankle in three places and tore three ligaments while running back to my car after a softball game. I was two feet from a curb and they shut the lights off about 20 minutes before they were supposed to. I got back to playing hockey a few months later. I then started to lift again, only to get in a head-on crash with a 1978 Olds Cutlass. The results? Large cyst on my shoulder (which frayed the tendons), torn rotator cuff, calcium deposits (which helped to tear the muscle even more), six compressed disks, and one slipped disk. Lots of fun. Needless to say, I'm not in that shape any more. However, I can't wait to get back out and play some hockey this year.
     
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    Come to think of it, I don't recall ever hearing of a golfer pulling a hammy,
    breaking an ankle or getting clotheslined by another golfer. Calling golfers
    "athletes" is like calling poker a sport.
     
  20. Dolly

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    +1 And I agree 100% :righton: I can't see golf or racing as being a "true" sport myself. But then ESPN thinks poker is a sport :raspberry :rolleyes:
     

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