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Time To Admit That D11 Has Been A Dramatic Disappointment?

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Programming' started by JayPSU, Nov 19, 2008.

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  1. Nov 19, 2008 #41 of 413
    DarinC

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    Ok. :) The point remains that it passes through another lossy encode. Even if they were to get the feed in MPEG4, it's still re-encoded due to statmuxing.

    I'd be interested in learning more about this. Are you saying some of the networks are sending their feed to the affiliates in MPEG4, and it's being turned around to DirecTV without any re-encode? How do local commercials and station bugs/overlays come into the picture? I know that this can't be true for at least Fox, as they send an MPEG2 stream to their affiliates that is passed along without any lossy re-encode... local channel bugs and other local content is added much like an overlay.

    Why would you ask that? Do you work for Nabisco?
     
  2. Nov 19, 2008 #42 of 413
    timmmaaayyy2003

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    Personally, I'd be happier if they would concentrate a little more on providing local channels to those of us deemed too insignificant to get any at all!

    Sure there are large markets that have more customers and those should be able to get HD LIL's, but lets face it, there's a large number of markets that aren't served ANY locals at all!
     
  3. Nov 19, 2008 #43 of 413
    bonscott87

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    Strange, I'm not disappointed at all. And I've had my HD locals for a couple years now. I got:

    1) Old MPEG2 "hd lite" now in full MPEG4 glory
    2) All that NFL Sunday Ticket in HD along with NHL in HD and other sports
    3) FSN-Plus in HD

    And I know several people in next door DMA's who are VERY VERY happy that they now have their locals in HD up on the sat since OTA reception is poor at best.

    Just because I didn't get a ton of new things doesn't mean I have to be disappointed. Some people have such a narrow view of things...
     
  4. Nov 19, 2008 #44 of 413
    iluvtv

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    if D is lacking bandwidth to add new hd premium channels they should drop the music channels for now until they are ready to actually broadcast some hd content.
     
  5. Nov 19, 2008 #45 of 413
    hasan

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    Since our HD-LIL got turned on today because of D11, I would second that opinion! Especially since we have waited a year and a half to get them since they were initially promised. Without D11, we'd be waiting another year or so.:)

    (...and I can get all my locals via OTA, and I'm still pleased that D11 made HD-LIL possible for those who can't/won't put up a decent antenna to get OTA-HD via the D* boxes).

    It is patently obvious that D* can't please everyone...they could launch 10 new sats and see yet another group whose perceived needs aren't being net banging away on their keyboards about how D12-D22 are pretty much a waste of time.

    Go figure.:)
     
  6. Nov 19, 2008 #46 of 413
    LameLefty

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    The music channels all together probably don't add up to a single good HD feed's worth of bandwidth. :p
     
  7. Nov 19, 2008 #47 of 413
    Stuart Sweet

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    Probably not even a good SD feed ;)
     
  8. Nov 19, 2008 #48 of 413
    DarinC

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    I think he was referring to music video channels. Or is that reality TV channels by a music-centric network?
     
  9. Nov 19, 2008 #49 of 413
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    Excellent post Lefty. I highly doubt those that finally got their locals in HD are part of the minority complainers in this thread. If the complainers didn't have their locals in HD, they'd want that too over national channels. If you complainers don't like what D* has to offer, then you have a free choice to go back to cable. No one is stopping you.
     
  10. Nov 19, 2008 #50 of 413
    celticpride

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    In my opinion directv is going about this the right way! It is important they get out the local HD channels to as many people as possible, then concentrate on national hd channels. And yes i badly want more national HD channels like the rest of you!
     
  11. Nov 19, 2008 #51 of 413
    harsh

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    It is absolutely a fair comparison. The Season Ticket/PPV channels and HD LIL brought new programming to a decidedly small subset of the HD subscriber base.
     
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    man_rob

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    It's not an either/or situation.
     
  13. Nov 19, 2008 #53 of 413
    scott72

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    The music channels show videos? :confused:
     
  14. Nov 19, 2008 #54 of 413
    harsh

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    Do you have any evidence whatsoever that this is taking place?

    My understanding is that only HBO/Cinemax "feeds" MPEG4 and DIRECTV isn't using it.
     
  15. Nov 19, 2008 #55 of 413
    DarinC

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    No. iluvtv made the comment that (s)he thought DirecTV should drop the music channels to save bandwidth. A couple people pointed out that the bandwidth consumption of the music channels is relatively tiny. I was simply pointing out that I believe that iluvtv was referring to MTV-HD (is there another one besides palladium?), due to the fact that (s)he also added: "...until they are ready to actually broadcast some hd content.". Obviously, the music channels wouldn't show HD content, since they don't even show SD content. So the comment was mostly likely referring to music video channels, like MTV-HD, which don't actually show any HD (that I'm aware of).

    Better?
     
  16. Nov 19, 2008 #56 of 413
    harsh

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    There is a decided difference between a spike and continued exponential growth.
     
  17. Nov 19, 2008 #57 of 413
    Doug Brott

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    Anticipation by folks here isn't the same thing as DIRECTV "hyping" D11 ..

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    Since March, we've had the following added:

    39 local HDs bringing the total to 116 HD Locals - 5 more to meet goal of 121
    MLB Extra Innings HD
    NFL Sunday Ticket HD
    Additional Olympic Coverage Much of it in HD
    NASCAR Hotpass HD
    Showtime Extreme HD
    Showtime Showcase HD
    Planet Green HD
    ABC Family HD
    an additional 23 RSNs in HD
    and yes, some PPV HD

    It seems to me that DIRECTV is pretty close on all accounts with regard to actual "hype." There has been a lot added since D11s launch. The problem for you is that your expectations were not met .. But since many folks have been waiting for YEARS to get local HD, I don't understand why it's not reasonable to expect DIRECTV to spend a lot of effort on this.
     
  18. Nov 19, 2008 #58 of 413
    ivoaraujo

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    I really do have to agree with Balestrom. We all get that we need local HD in other areas, but the fact of the matter is Directv is not negotiating hard enough on national hd for its customers , the ones who make Directv their profits.
    They need to try harder. We are eventually going to pay for it anyways, give it to us.
    Just my 2 cents.
     
  19. Nov 19, 2008 #59 of 413
    Stuart Sweet

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    I can see why you would say that but I don't think it's fair to assume facts not in evidence. I think it's reasonable to expect that you don't know how hard DIRECTV is negotiating.

    In fact there are teams of people who do nothing but negotiating and while mere mortals here at a fan site can imagine that it's super-easy, I'm pretty sure it is, in fact, super-hard.
     
  20. Nov 19, 2008 #60 of 413
    flipptyfloppity

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    I agree completely. I guess it's great if you didn't have HD LILs before. But I did (and I had HD OTA before that), so that doesn't apply to me.

    What did I get? Crap like Animal Planet HD. And I can look forward to crap like ESPNU HD and if we're lucky, HSN HD!

    To be honest, the only HD channel that have been added via D11 that I ever watch is Versus Golf HD, and still half the games I try to watch aren't in HD because of the Versus/Golf sharing.

    It's rare any channel has HD content I want to watch other than Discovery, and that's been available since before I got my HR10-250. I looked in my season pass list, the only D11 channel that appears in the list is TOONHD, and that's recording a show (like many) that isn't even in HD.

    Oh, you know, I did forget one. I often watch Speed HD, although since I don't watch NASCAR, usually it isn't in HD either. But at least it's 16:9.
     
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