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Time Warner Cable, CBS pull back from blackout

Discussion in 'Cable TV Discussion' started by SayWhat?, Jul 30, 2013.

  1. bobcamp1

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    There's no law guaranteeing network neutrality here in the U.S. The FCC has put out guidelines and a few rules, but many claim the FCC lacks the authority to do even that. CBS can do whatever they want.
     
  2. carlsbad_bolt_fan

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    It wasn't Dish, it was Time Warner.
     
  3. carlsbad_bolt_fan

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    An offer was made to CBS:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/time-warner-cable-offers-proposal-cbs-end-blackout-183343507.html

     
  4. inkahauts

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    Again we don't pay for any Of their online content. Our subscription only guarantees us their linear Channels. Any online content is a free extra.

    You'd know if we where paying for it because we'd see line items for it and people with it would be paying more than people who have no internet access and can't access it.
     
  5. inkahauts

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    Since when does a company like Dish have say over a broadcast station offering content to Netflix. Maybe CBS was actually right on this one. I dont agree with a huge increase but I also don't like the idea of Dish stating you can't offer your content on Netflix. If Dish wants part of that business too then maybe they should do a better job offering better internet people want to get paid on both ends.


    Actually all the time. Many contracts prices are in part derived from the exclusivity of the content on the channel. If CBS gives all their stuff to Netflix for free that highly devalues its worth for Time Warner Cable and others. They can absolutely ask for guarantees of that kind to protect the value of what they are paying for.
     
  6. joshjr

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    Even Time Warner. Come on.
     
  7. joshjr

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    I didnt say I don't understand it. I just cant see one company like TWC having that much of a say. Either way it would be Time Warner's call. I can see TWC negotiating a lower wage due to that but not the ability to say if you want to do business with us then dont give it to Netflix. That would be kind of like Dish saying hey we will sign a new agreement if you say no to DirecTV when your next contract expires. I understand this would be a little different but still.
     
  8. damondlt

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    This whole TV crap is all backwards.

    The Networks should be paying the providers. You want your crap shown pay us and we'll show it!

    Unreal Only in America!
     
  9. Gloria_Chavez

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    Today, the distributors tell CBS, go a-la-carte.

    Tomorrow, when ESPN asks for 6 dollars a month, distributors will tell Disney, go a-la-carte.

    Fundamental shift going on. Younger households see little value in Pay Tv, and older households question its value.

    Dolan on this shift........

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    Future of Cable Might Not Include TV

    At Cablevision, Broadband Could Become Primary Offering Eventually


    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323420604578647961424594702.html

    In a 90-minute interview on Friday, the usually media-shy 58-year-old executive also talked about his marriage, his relationship with his father Chuck and his after-hours role as a singer and songwriter. He said his rock band, JD & the Straight Shot, toured with the Eagles last month.

    Mr. Dolan said that on the rare occasions he watches TV, it is often with his young children, who prefer to watch online video service Netflix, using Cablevision broadband.

    He added that the cable-TV industry is in a "bubble" with its emphasis on packages of channels that people are required to pay for, predicting it will mature "badly" as young people opt to watch online video rather than pay for traditional TV services.
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  10. TheRatPatrol

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    So TWC is asking CBS to go al la carte but they won't allow their very own TWCSN to go al la carte??
     
  11. mailiang

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    ISP customers are entitled to receive CBS program streaming, which has nothing to do with their broadcast carrier agreement. If CBS denies access to those customers, they are in violation as per agreement with the ISP's.


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  12. inkahauts

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    I didnt say I don't understand it. I just cant see one company like TWC having that much of a say. Either way it would be Time Warner's call. I can see TWC negotiating a lower wage due to that but not the ability to say if you want to do business with us then dont give it to Netflix. That would be kind of like Dish saying hey we will sign a new agreement if you say no to DirecTV when your next contract expires. I understand this would be a little different but still.


    Well who knows the exact deal. It could be DIRECTV has one that protects price and provides them with anything Netflix might get. Who knows? As we know That's why no two companies negotiation for any one channel is the same! :)
     
  13. inkahauts

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    ISP customers are entitled to receive CBS program streaming, which has nothing to do with their broadcast carrier agreement. If CBS denies access to those customers, they are in violation as per agreement with the ISP.


    Ian


    Wait. The argument was they are breaking some contract because they are denying DIRECTV customers from their programming if they use Time Warner Cable. You are saying something all together different. You are suggesting that CBS has a deal with every Internet provider in the country to allow then to stream their online programming and they are breaking that.

    Set aside that I don't buy for a second that cbs is getting money and has a contract from all isp in the entire country to show their online stuff....

    If that was true then of course it'd make even more sense that all Time Warner Cable ISP users would be without their CBS programming since that's who they are in the dispute with.
     
  14. Gloria_Chavez

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    Cord cutting more pronounced with every passing day.

    And CBS wants to increase its monthly cut from today's 75 cents a month to 2 dollars by the final year of a new contract????!!!!!

    If CBS is able to extract 2 dollars a month within 4 years, than Univision will ask for 2.50 (UVN's demographics are better than CBS's).

    And it all started with ESPN (have I mentioned that 50% of Disney's 115B valuation is attributable to ESPN?).



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    CBS-Time Warner Cable Dispute Shows an Industry Unaware of Reality

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323420604578652271175622986.html

    But as Messrs. Dolan and Ergen have acknowledged, these arrangements aren't sustainable. Younger people watch what they want online, making the idea of cable TV less appealing. The percentage of people age 13 to 33 subscribing to pay TV fell to 76% this June from 85% in June 2010, a new study by research firm GfK found.

    "Cord cutting used to be an urban myth. It isn't any more," said cable analyst Craig Moffett in a report Tuesday.

    Yet the entertainment companies seem blissfully unaware. Yes, most make their cable programming available online, but only to TV subscribers who remember passwords, itself a turnoff. Some shows are separately licensed to online outlets, like Amazon.com Inc., Hulu or Netflix Inc., but not every outlet has all seasons.

    TV executives may feel insulated from the travails of newspapers. But if Messrs. Britt and Moonves don't stop fighting over money and think longer term, there won't be much money left to argue about.
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  15. mailiang

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    I was referring to the agreements that CBS has with many ISP's, including TWC, to carry streaming content on their websites. AFAIK, It has nothing to do with their carrier dispute and broadcast transmission fees. As per my wife, who is an attorney, by blocking such content they may have breached that agreement. The DTV comment was aimed at Net neutrality which is regulated by the FCC, but currently being debated in Congress in terms of jurisdictional issues. Sorry for the confusion.


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  16. REDSKINSFAN47

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    with more people cutting the cord and with some good sub channels that directv doesnt carry,im hopeing that ota will increase as this can happen with any provider and in this case ota would keep me from losing cbs.
     
  17. inkahauts

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    Again, I didn't know that cbs had a single agreement with any isp to stream their content. I have never even heard of such a thing. Can you point me to an example of this? All the streaming tv everywhere agreements that I am aware of are tied to the cable side of the contracts. Not separately with ISPs.
     
  18. SayWhat?

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    ^ My ISP has a separate TV/Video section on their members web page with probably over a hundred networks and channels including NBC, ABC, FOX, CW, as well as cable channels like ABC Family, HBO, BBC, Fox Movies, etc.

    No CBS for right now, but I think it comes and goes.

    CBS was also offered on the Windows Media Center IPTV channel before MS dropped that feature.
     
  19. inkahauts

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    Then those agreements are tied to the ISP provider not the cable operator I'd think. And if so then it makes sense they'd yank it from Time Warner Cable customers since that could be part Of the negotiation maybe. I just don't see any situation where Time Warner Cable would be in a contract with DIRECTV to provide CBS online or for CBS to be in a contract to provide online to twc for dtv subs or for CBS to be in a contract with DIRECTV that says they will provide their online to Time Warner Cable. It just doesn't make sense.

    I wouldn't be surprised if that is all for free anyway on an ISP home page or if CBS didn't pay Time Warner Cable to allow them to put it on their ISP home pages as a way to advertise their programming.
     
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