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Discussion in 'DIRECTV General Discussion' started by faust0068, Oct 11, 2007.

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  1. Tom Robertson

    Tom Robertson Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

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    IMHO, it seems not so much business model per se but lack of business acumen.

    Cheers,
    Tom
     
  2. Jhon69

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    Well I tell you these discussions have intrigued me.So I plan to get a DirecTivo,R10
    and put it right beside my R15.Because I want to see(I've never had Tivo)what all
    this Tivo love is all about.;)
     
  3. gully_foyle

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    FioS. U-verse. The internet. Even cable. Sooner or later competition will have its way. Having been a D* customer uninterrupted since 1994, I have to say that I am going to be very glad to see the exit of Murdoch and his gang. They very nearly ruined DirecTV.

    Oh, I don't expect a return to TiVo any time soon. Sad, but true. Murdoch and NDS have burned that bridge. But I do hope for a time when D* doesn't keep cutting service and raising costs, and instead focuses on quality.

    SD once was lightly compressed 640x480i. Stunning picture. Now it DECOMPRESSES to very lossy 480x480i. SD Lite. Ask anyone who's been around for a while. Now, with mpeg4, everything going HD, and nearly two hundred transponder channels authorized, there's some hope that D* can become a quality service again. Murdoch would have trashed HD like they did SD.

    With Murdoch gone, his incredibly paranoid fear that something might get copied (without him getting paid) will go with him, and we might get to use our home networks for video.

    With Murdoch gone, the creative talent that shuns everything he touches might return.

    Don't know about how Malone (once king of cable) will play it, but nearly anything will be better than the last 6 years.
     
  4. mdernst

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    Now that spelling snafu was funny! :hurah:

    (I assume you meant attract?)
     
  5. Milominderbinder2

    Milominderbinder2 Cutting Edge: ECHELON '08

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    Sorry, I guess this should have been in this thread...

    When TiVo and Comcast announced that they had begun customer testing in New England, I bet you were wondering the same questions posed by Seeking Alpha:

    Did the Comcast TiVo Really Launch This Week?



    Also, here is that quote explaining that DIRECTV has licensed the TiVo patent portfolio for development in their receivers through 2010: TiVo - DIRECTV contract announcement 3/16/06:

    TiVo Contract/Patent Licenses Extended Through 2010

    And here is one more article to consider:

    TiVo: Can It Survive?

    - Craig
     
  6. Tugboat

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    Geez, isn't anyone going to respond to this post? Enough already with the noble Directv and its good intentions, blah, blah, blah. They used to call environmentalists tree-huggers. Well, I can understand hugging a tree much more than I can hugging a faceless monstrosity called a corporation. If you think guys like John Malone, and Rupert Murdoch before him, care anything about you and your life, you are a pretty sad lot. P&L statements are their Holy Grail, if that happens to include good customer service, competitive pricing, etc., it's only because it improves profits (though you have to wonder why many of these idiots running these large companies don't realize you can be a good corporate citizen and make money too).

    Sure, the cutting edge people are a nice, well-meaning crowd, but they are being used only because Directv decided it was the cheapest way to go. It's not really that complicated. If they could have outsourced the cutting edge effort to India or China and saved even more, there would be no cutting edge...and no slobbering over Directv's noble intentions.

    Enough with the Directv accolades, the "thank you, thank you" drivel about HD channels, etc. Directv is in business to make a buck, whatever that takes. If it meant tossing Earl into the Chicago River, they would do that, too.

    Unless you are a high-level management type, blind allegiance to a global corporation makes about as much sense as the Weather Channel in HD.

    It's now been more than a year since the HR20 popped out of its cocoon, and it's still raising the ire of Directv subscribers because it either doesn't work reliably or it can't match another DVR's ultra-loyal fan base.

    No doubt in my mind, regardless of Earl's "stone cold lock" opinion, that there will be some DVR changes ahead for Directv. Does it include Tivo? I don't know. But they can't continue with these lame-o leftovers from the News Corp. regime.

    Yeah, Chase Carey is still there. But he still has to do whatever John Malone and Greg Maffei tell him to do.
     
  7. Herdfan

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    Back in 94-96 D*'s PQ was stunning. But you can't blame Murdoch for killing SD PQ. That started in 97 and continued with SHVIA allowing DBS companies to provide local channels.
     
  8. Earl Bonovich

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    I guess you all have the answers you need then...
    Should we just close the thread?
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    As much as you all want to take swings at my statements and credibility... I stand by what I said.

    Time will only tell who is right... and who is wrong.

    As much as many of you "think" you know what is going on... especially the "toss me in to the river"... you have no understanding of the bigger aspects of the CE program..

    You see it from one aspect of it... but you don't know the entire "impact" of it. So see it as you like.... believe what you like. That is your choice..
     
  9. techrep

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    It's more like we are mercenaries and the payoff is content. !devil12: shoulder :angel:
     
  10. Tugboat

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    Obviously, that was not meant literally, just as a metaphor for the idea that Directv will do whatever it needs to do to squeeze every penny they can. If that means cutting the CE process out of the loop, they will do it. Do you deny that?

    Your hubris on this entire Directv thing from the start has been just amazing. Sure, you are privy to all the decisions being made in the Liberty Media back rooms, at the highest levels. Directv's exact future plans have been revealed to you, Earl, by the top executive management team.

    This isn't about taking shots at you, it's about discussing someone who has been used by Directv as a means to an end, and feels compelled to defend them as a result of that entire process. Ever heard of the Stockholm Syndrome (albeit, this is a much less serious iteration)?

    Do us all a favor, since you no doubt have them in your Outlook address book, post the cell phone numbers of Messrs. Carey, Malone and Maffei, so we can directly plug into the network ourselves.

    Whatever morsels of information your handlers at Directv feed you doesn't necessarily make it true. There is this thing called disinformation, and the real power boys will use it in a nano-second to maintain their version of reality, until things change and they decide they don't need DBSTalk or the CE group and any more.

    Yes, time will tell.
     
  11. dmclone

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    People that are so devoted to Tivo confuse me.

    I had the SD Directivo unit a few years back and I liked it a lot. I decided that I wanted a HD DVR so I got the HR20 to replace it. For a few weeks it was hard to get used to using because I was so used to the Tivo interface. Now after a year, I can think of very little that I miss about Tivo. D* has only been doing this for a few years where Tivo has had twice as long to get it right.

    Is it that these Tivo customers are just so used to the interface that they are unwilling to change? Do these Tivo customers always buy the same brand of car so they don't have to change what side of the car the fuel tank is located?
     
  12. Earl Bonovich

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    I love how you all are inside my head... and have the depth and insight to see that I am just blind to the situation... and what this "relationship is".. and what it isn't.... That I am just a puppet... that I don't have a thought for myself...

    And I am blindly being "used" by the big bad DirecTV machine...

    And yes... I am taking those comments personally....
     
  13. Tugboat

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    And any one who has come here to voice their negative opinion about Directv and its lousy HD-DVR hardware/software (no one knows for sure, it seems) takes it personally when they are treated as "outsiders" (or worse) because they don't have the benefit of a pipeline to Directv's key decision makers - as you undoubtedly do.

    Sorry you take it personally, but you set yourself up for that by defending Directv to the hilt, and treating those with a different viewpoint as not "in the know." In reality, you may know when the next CE is coming down or what the next HD channel is going to be, but you don't REALLY know anything about the company's plans on the highest levels. I don't need to "get inside your head" to know that. Directv executive management would never divulge that data to someone who doesn't even work for the company. No way, no how.

    Here's a simple question: How come Directv hasn't acknowledged in any public way that DBSTalk is part of its ongoing effort to fix/enable issues/features on the HR20 and other Directv machines? Just curious. You'd think they would gladly be blaring the PR trumpets, telling the world about this wonderful happening/relationship. No, they won't do that. It would make them look much too amateurish in trying to get their "flagship" product to work as advertised for the vast majority of end users/subscribers.

    Judging by the ongoing problems (they are all documented here), that hasn't happened yet, more than a year after the HR20 hit the market.
     
  14. techrep

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    I don't know Earl from Adam but I have followed his threads and posts, on other forums, for years before coming here. Earl is not a "One Trick Pony" and has tested and commented objectively on many pieces of equipment. Think what you want but from what I have seen over the years, he just "follows the tech."
     
  15. jjohns

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    Probably get kicked out or flamed, but I disagree. He accepts gifts (recievers, dvr's etc.) ahead of the general public, then comments on them. I believe human nature certainly would cause one not to bite the hand that feeds them.
     
  16. tiger2005

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    I don't always agree with Earl's viewpoints, actually I tend to disagree with him a lot of the time, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't have any insight to DTV and their plans. I've always found Earl to be nothing more than someone that enjoys this hobby, like the rest of us. Also, I can attest to the fact that Earl has helped NUMEROUS people on this board fix problems related to software, set-up, etc. in their system. Just because Earl believes in DTV and what their path is the majority of the time, doesn't mean he's wrong or a bad guy.
     
  17. Earl Bonovich

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    I stand by what I have stated.... and I'll leave it that...
     
  18. tiger2005

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    I'm not so sure that's a plus. Having a HR20 in the very early days would not be considered positive IMO. Also I would bet I paid as much for my HR20 as Earl. At most it would be $20 more. Being an early adopter in the software age is not all its cracked up to be.
     
  19. Milominderbinder2

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    Tugboat,

    Any one with an issue with a receiver should post them in their respective threads. They can and will get attention.

    I notice that your threads tend to not be so much about improving a product as attacks on DIRECTV as a company or the moderators here:

    STAY AWAY from DirecTV!!!!!!!
    Anyone believe HD is a big deal to most Americans?

    The attacks, especially the personal attacks do not help anyone. They just tend to drive people away.

    - Craig
     
  20. Canis Lupus

    Canis Lupus You make it, We break it

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    Some of you people amaze me. Earl strikes me more as the person who would throw himself into the Chicago River if it meant creating a better experience for all users. But apparently all those efforts don't mean a thing to you, Tugboat, because no matter what efforts are made, it's all for naught when D* says "thanks for the help" and dumps the relationship.
    I haven't had a single problem with my D* experience, its equipment, or anything else. So I suppose, like Earl who also hasn't had problems (oh and got some free stuff to test - big whoop), that I could just ignore this forum and those who have problems, and go along my merry way. But I don't.
    Regardless of what you think about D*, TiVo, Liberty (or anyone else - i frankly could care less), this is a community of people seeking and providing solutions.
    To point to Earl as full of "hubris", and as someone "defending D* to the hilt", and providing "disinformation" by being spoon-fed by an evil corporation, is to miss the whole point of why we're here in the first place. Why don't you go call D* yourself and get the answers your seeking. The number's in the phone book. This forum doesn't appear to be the place that meets your needs satisfactorily.
     
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