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TiVo vs. Dish: Settlement reached. Dish to pay $500 million

Discussion in 'General DISH™ Discussion' started by Curtis52, May 2, 2011.

  1. camo

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    The new settlement reported by Citigroup analyst Jason Bazinet said the $500 million total works out to about a 40-cent licensing fee per Dish DVR per month from 2006 to 2021, when TiVo's most important patent expires.

    This settlement dismisses the April 20 judgment requiring Dish and EchoStar to disable the boxes and awarded $90 million in damages to TiVo.

    In return TiVo said it will also help Dish Network promote the Blockbuster digital video service and EchoStar is granting TiVo a license to use some of its patents.

    Just one big happy family now.
     
  2. Surveyor40

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    I feel like I just walked into the " Twilight Zone ". Osama killed, Tivo & Echostar make up and become friends, last weeks tornadoes, the world is coming to an end in 2012.:D
     
  3. tsmacro

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    +1!!
     
  4. jacmyoung

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    I don't know about that but I did say they could always settle and if so, the TiVo people were likely not going to be happy about whatever the settlement was.

    Seeing that DISH is up almost 16%, TiVo about a little over 5% for now, I guess the TiVo investors aren't as happy as DISH's at this time.
     
  5. phrelin

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    Well this part of the news release is a little unclear:
    But my assumption is that the emphasized phrase applies to the listed "infringing" boxes which were subject to the injunction. Those were MPEG2 boxes which, as we know, Dish is phasing out in the United States and based on Aransay's latest posts maybe even planning to phase out in Mexico.

    I didn't know Blockbuster sold TiVo units when I posted this on Saturday:
    With the information that one of Charlie's many arms will be retailing TiVo boxes, a settlement for a reasonable licensing fee was inevitable IMHO.
     
  6. jacmyoung

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    Dish installers are still installing the 625s. This model is one of the 8 named DVRs.
     
  7. Paul Secic

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    I can't believe it's over.:eek2::eek2:
     
  8. Curtis52

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    Dish has a complete license for the '389 patent for all of it's DVRs.

    TiVo granted DISH a license to its '389 patent, including specified related patents and patent applications, with respect to DISH-branded and co-branded products and services.
    http://biz.yahoo.com/e/110502/tivo8-k.html
     
  9. phrelin

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    With regard to the TiVo license under the settlement, Echostar included this in its quartely under Note 14 Subsequent Events, though I'm not sure it clarifies anything regarding Richard's question:
    In it's quarterly Dish gives its perception of the settlement as it affects its finances in the subsequent events Note 11 as follows:
     
  10. jacmyoung

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    Of course it does, Dish will pay TiVo $33.3M each year for the next 6 years:)
     
  11. finniganps

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    Tivo is going to have to get a lot more money in licensing to stay in business as something other than a patent holding company. Perhaps they should just sell the hardware business and license the patent since they don't seem to be able to make money with the current business model.
     
  12. Cholly

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    TiVo's big disadvantage is the fact that they are slave to CableCards (2 for a Series 3, one multistream card for a TiVo HD/HDXL or Premiere/PremiereXL), which must be rented from the cable company. Further, since many cable companies have begu using switched digital video, TiVo subscribers must have a switched digital video adapter (such as the Cisco STA1520) for each TiVo High Definition DVR (series 3,TiVo HD/HDXL, Premiere/PremiereXL) they own.
    Since bidirectional CableCards have not seen the light of day, TiVo owners are unable to avail themselves of Cable Company video on demand content.

    If any of the Echostar patents now available to TiVo can circumvent the CableCard dilemma, TiVo will benefit greatly.
     
  13. Satelliteracer

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    Never? Damn, I wonder what this TiVo unit in my office that we're alpha testing is for then. :lol:
     
  14. jacmyoung

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    It can be a collector's item.
     
  15. DavidMi

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    It's so out of date now that it is already a collectors item before it ever co es out... If it ever comes out.
     
  16. James Long

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    Good ... maybe DISH will turn on the old Tivo code that they removed and the DVRs will go back to working better on trick plays. :)

    $500 Million isn't bad. It is a win for both parties.
     
  17. phrelin

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    Today was an interesting day for shareholders of both companies. Here's five day charts for both stocks:

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    How long those big share price jumps will hold is a question.
     
  18. James Long

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    We can't predict ... literally - we can't predict. Doing so would be breaking the forum rules as they pertain to predicting the stock market.

    So please folks ... don't predict stock values.

    It is good to see a "jump" in DISH's value ... although the good quarterly report likely had more to do with that than the Tivo deal.
     
  19. Richard King

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    Whle not predicting, it's interesting to see the comparision of Echostar vs. Dish since the split. Echostar is up just a hair under 20% while Dish is barely in positive territory (thank you today). Tivo had been up just under 100%, but is now up less than Echostar and more than Dish (around 12% or so). DirecTv, on the other hand is up just under 100%.

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  20. Richard King

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    Here's a more interesting chart for Tivo, covering 10 days (the day off is Good Friday):

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