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Tonight’s the night -5/23/10- LOST series finally “will we get answers or have more q

Discussion in 'TV Show Talk' started by oldschoolecw, May 23, 2010.

  1. TBlazer07

    TBlazer07 Grumpy Grampy

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    I had it figured out after the first show of the first season. They were simply dead which is ultimately what happened. It just took them a lot of years to say so. The ending was a cop-out by the writers. While it was a "sweet" ending it left me very unsatisfied. You can read all the deep dark meanings in it you want, but they simply were dead.

    So what happened to the pilot and the other guy in the plane who wasn't at the "funeral?"
     
  2. RunnerFL

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    Not how I interpreted it, along with many others, at all. The Island stuff was real while the sideways stuff was "limbo" or "purgatory".

    No, because Jin and Sun didn't "die" in "sideways world". They, and everyone else, were already dead in "sideways world".
     
  3. RunnerFL

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    Not sure of the exact wording but Jack's Dad said something about where they were was chosen by all of them. I took that to also imply that since they had collectively chosen the place that they were all waiting for each other.

    They may have died after Jack but they got to the church, or "let go", before Jack. Jack wouldn't accept that he was dead.
     
  4. RunnerFL

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    My take is that everyone died at different times. Some, like Libby, died on the island after the plane crash. Juliet died as a result of the nuke. Rose and Bernard remained on the island for their remaining years. We saw Jack die at the end. Then we also saw Sawyer, Kate, Claire, Miles, Lupidis and Richard get off the island in the plane. They went on to live out their lives and died sometime later. Hurley and Ben then ran the island for who knows how long and eventually were replaced or died.

    Think about this... Penny was neither on the plane nor on the island yet she was at the church...

    I don't buy it either. I think that what we saw happen on the island was the "reality" of it all and the "sideways world" was "limbo/purgatory" where they all gathered until all of them could "let go" to "move on".
     
  5. RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

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    Exactly, well said. I was trying to figure out how to put it best but you already did.
     
  6. RunnerFL

    RunnerFL Well-Known Member

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    That's exactly when it hit me too.
     
  7. RunnerFL

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    But they weren't dead the whole time.

    My guess is that they haven't "let go" yet but they weren't key enough for everyone to be waiting on them to "move on".
     
  8. bleggett29

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    Thanks for the kind words above.
    Or in the case of Ben; he didn't feel it right to be with these people after what he did on the island.
     
  9. Sixto

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    Just found this ... (Supposedly, not confirmed) ... Someone from Bad Robot (JJ's Production Company) take on the Finale:
     
  10. RunnerFL

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    "A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me."


    MINDBLOWING!!
     
  11. RunnerFL

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    I give credit where credit is due. I knew what I wanted to say but wasn't sure how to "put it to paper", you did it perfectly.
     
  12. bleggett29

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    Wow! Makes perfect sense.
    Probably won't happen, but this would make another great series.
     
  13. RunnerFL

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    So many things from LOST would make great spin offs. I would love to see a cop show with Sawyer and Miles or a comedy featuring Hurley running a fried chicken chain. :lol:
     
  14. Lee L

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    THis is kind of where I am coming down on this as well. I did think it is a little disingenuous to be telling people all along it is not purgatory, then have part of the show be purgatory after all. Sure, they only said it was not purgatory specifically in regards to the island I guess, so in a lawyerly way, they did not go back on that, but it does seem like a shortcut out to me.

    The stuff in the link that Sixto posted resonates with me as well, I just had been holding out hope that this would be something new and different and not directly based on every single religious and secular archetype out there.
     
  15. phrelin

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    If that description of the show's primary intent is true, then I have a problem with Abrams. If the show "dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions" I didn't see much depth in it considering the number of hours of show time involved.

    Perhaps the hint was the "Dharma" Initiative, which name I pondered many times waiting for less science fiction and more religious philosophy. To me, in the end the theme shifted into the world of fantasy and mysticism without ever touching the core conflict of Dharmic thought. Yes, we see in the characters a direction of change which could be interpreted as beings attempting to live in accordance with righteous duty in order to achieve dharma yukam, moksha or nirvana depending on individual beliefs. But at no time was any element of dharma yukam (which can refer to Abrahamic heaven), moksha or nirvana addressed even when we had the priest impersonator.

    I can't help but feel a sense of coincidence that when the issue of time-space-dimensions was played out, ordinary drama related to human interaction was shifted to an Old Testament good v evil play with an actual devil to smite. Perhaps cleverly. But not satisfying at all, IMHO.

    Maybe I expect too much from television. But "Battlestar Galactica" actually "dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spiritual questions" boldly, head on, as an underlying theme. Of course, I wasn't totally happy with its ending either.
     
  16. RunnerFL

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    Yeah, I was a bit ticked by them flat out denying that it was purgatory then it turns out part of it was. I guess we can chalk that up to them specifically meaning the island part. Still bugs me though.

    Me too.
     
  17. RunnerFL

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    And I'm still PO'd about the BSG ending.
     
  18. Scott Kocourek

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    It will be a long time before we get to see a show this great again. Thanks to all involved in making a super series.
     
  19. Church AV Guy

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    Okay, I have one question. How did all those Dharma vans, and all the other very heavy equipment, get to the island? Am I to believe that the submarine was large enough to carry all that stuff? The whole derek style drilling rig with multiple diesel engines seems like it would be difficult, if not impossible to get over on the sub. They CERTAINLY could not have attached it to the outside of the sub:D. Maybe in parts and assembled it on the island, but what a project that would be! They would really have needed a freighter:eek:
     
  20. tsmacro

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    I'd say the ending was consistent with the rest of the show. I'll miss it because in the entertainment world and it seems tv especially everything is copy of many generations of copies that came before it. Lost managed to at least feel fairly fresh and unique and that was welcome change of pace over the majority of your available tv options. The nice thing about Lost and shows like it is that it reminds us a tv show can make you think and still be fun to watch and not all tv has to be mindless brain candy.
     

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