First off, you're confusing two separate things here. The normal functions of the government in terms of how we function is one thing. But in times of war, the courts have always held that we have a right to protect ourselves. You keep trying to draw erroneous analogies: Well, if we torture these guys, we're just a whisker away from caning people who the police pick up on the street... come on. That's just nonsense. These are enemy combatants who were fighting our military and who we captured on a field of battle. By any international standard, we are entitled to kill them on site... we could have had KSM executed on the field of battle with no legal problem whatsoever. Does that mean that that response extends to normal US citizens engaging in our lives here in the US? Of course not. You have to separate the two. I know that liberals tend to not to like to do that, but this is a situation that is NOT the same as how the police pick up a suspect on the street who's believed to have committed a crime. What we're dealing with here is how to handle ENEMY COMBATANTS. Not common criminals. These are people who want to destroy the US, not some purse-snatcher we caught. For some reason liberals tend to think everything is just a crime scene. This is not - this is a war. And do you really mean to say that someone captured on the field of battle has the same constitutional protections that you or I do? Nonsense. The court has always held that. The closest you could come to that is what the court held with foreigners being here in the US. Non-US citizens who are on US soil are entitled to constitutional protection. Do you wonder why these prisoners are in Guantanamo? Because it's NOT US SOIL. And you may have an issue with waterboarding, but I don't, and I would guess most of the American people don't either. Of course it's not a routine police procedure, nor should it be. But when you're talking about terrorists who want to kill us, and who've already attacked us, that's a different situation altogether. We've ALWAYS separated the two. That's what posse comitatus is all about - the US military is not allowed to be deployed in a military function on US soil. There's a separation that you seem to not want to acknowledge.