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Transponder Maps: Domestic ~ Data 2/22/2017

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Tips and Resources' started by Gary Toma, Dec 26, 2012.

  1. Aug 13, 2013 #181 of 2016
    Rafael

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    I don't think they need to use down block signals @ CATV frequencies for satellite (My guess)
    The lnbf you post has similar specs than a Universal LNBF (Astra Type) Basically they can use a set up just like old times when (only had Ku) and they had a Sat A / Sat B switch (0 KHz / 22 KHz tone)
    For MDU the LNBF will require 4 Outputs.....

    If they want to Stack signals in a single coax then they have enough space from what I'm reading they plan to use only 250 MHz (10.95 GHz to 11.2 GHz) and 750 MHz (11.45 GHz to 12.2 GHz)
    Normally FSS or BSS use 500 MHz or 950 MHz to 1450 MHz when down converted to L-band
    My best guess is that they have enough space in L-Band (950 MHz to 2150 MHz or 1200 MHz in space)

    Regards.
     
  2. Aug 13, 2013 #182 of 2016
    Rafael

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    Hello Chris,

    It's been a long time (since DBSForums) hope you are well.
    I heard somebody setting up a dish in Belize, but I have to see it working to believe it.
    The combination is very tricky because you need to de - combine and re- combine with a diplexer and also you then need to use power inserters.....
    not only that Ka is very high efficient beam.....probably the spaceways aren't so perfectly shaped as all other newer Ka birds....
    I guess it doesn't hurt to try but I think you might have a better chance with Dishnetwork....have you tried 72.7 W?

    Regards.
     
  3. Aug 13, 2013 #183 of 2016
    P Smith

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    @Chris,
    if you have a tablet with GPS, compass, WiFi - download app what allow you to see where the sat, then stay behind your 3m dish and try again

    or if you'll offer a round trip from San Jose... I would bring spectrum analyzer and the tablet ;)
     
  4. Aug 13, 2013 #184 of 2016
    HoTat2

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    After thinking about it some since I last posted on this question;

    My guess is that with the new DLA LNBF, you can have up to two single tuner receivers (or one DVR) in a legacy install connected directly to the two dish outputs with the receiver supplying either 18v nom. for the even transponders and 13v nom. for the odd, with either set on the coaxes between 450-700 MHz and 900-1650 MHz after LNBF conversion.

    Or for SWiM installs the two outputs from the DLA LNBF are fed to a SWiM module which polarity locks one coax to the LNBF on even and the other on odd the transponder sets again with both coaxes carrying between 450-700 MHz and 900-1650 MHz.
     
  5. Aug 14, 2013 #185 of 2016
    Gary Toma

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    [SIZE=12pt]Doctor J Comments for the 8/14/2013 Data:[/SIZE]


    [SIZE=12pt]HD LIL CHANNEL, REMOVED[/SIZE]

    NETWORK NAME CHANNEL LIL_MKT NOTES_0 NOTES_1
    14 WADL 38 56 A3 Detroit 38 WADL IND Ind from WADLDT-TV, 38, Detroit, MI



    [SIZE=12pt]HD LIL VIRTUAL CHANNEL, REMOVED[/SIZE]

    NETWORK NAME CHANNEL LIL_MKT NOTES_0 NOTES_1
    15 ION 46 201 A3 Wausau 46 ION (Virtual) ION from ION-TV, 46, Wausau, WI
     
  6. Aug 14, 2013 #186 of 2016
    KyL416

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    You might want to do a new run for 95, they shuffled the Korean channels in the 2080s on Saturday to make room for KBS World.
     
  7. Aug 15, 2013 #187 of 2016
    doctor j

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    Thank you!I need to hear if changes suspected for SAT 95.
    I do not update weekly since i have to deploy a world direct dish to download data.
    I will update 95 for next weeks run
    JMJ
     
  8. Aug 19, 2013 #188 of 2016
    dd5087

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    Why are there two sets of channels listed in the LIl TPN Map for a given city? I was trying to determine which satellite the San Antonio locals were on and I see one set, designated with A3, on Sat 103W and another set on Sat 101W.
     
  9. Aug 19, 2013 #189 of 2016
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    One is the SD version (on 101) and the other is the HD version.
     
  10. Aug 19, 2013 #190 of 2016
    HoTat2

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    Or more fully;

    The channel set labeled many times as "A3" and shaded are in MPEG-4 compression format which is "usually" for HD and carried on the Ka band at 99 or 103, but at times may be SD channels in MPEG-4 on Ka band as well.

    The ones not labeled A3 nor shaded are for SD channels carried in the older MPEG-2 comp. format on the Ku band at 95, 101, 110, and 119 (though 110 is only being used for Puerto Rico's market right now).
     
  11. Aug 19, 2013 #191 of 2016
    dd5087

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    Thanks to Go Beavs & HoTat2 for the information
     
  12. Aug 21, 2013 #192 of 2016
    Gary Toma

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    Doctor J Comments for the 8/21/13 Data:



    The two LIL Channels Removed on the 8/14/13 TPN Map have been Restored in the 8/21/13 data.

    As announced on 8/15/13, QVC-HD, Galavision-HD and Playboy-HD have transitioned from Test to In-Service.
     
  13. Aug 22, 2013 #193 of 2016
    Gary Toma

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    The new 8/21/13 TPN Map has just been uploaded.

    As Doctor J promised, the 95W data is refreshed and will reflect any recent changes.
     
  14. Aug 22, 2013 #194 of 2016
    KyL416

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    With more of the alternates moving to subchannels, along with the part time HD channels that have been using them for a long time, is there anyway you can include them as part of the channel number?
     
  15. Aug 23, 2013 #195 of 2016
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    I happened to read the Transonder maps thread from last year 2012 and I noticed Directv added local Telemundo HD to many cities,like Houston,EL Paso,New York,L.A and many others.

    Orlando has a large latino population and we are missing our local WTMO CD Telemundo HD channel 31 OTA in our Directv local line up.

    Next to Univision here in Florida, Telemundo is the second most popular watched latino station.

    I looked up Dish's guide and sure enough Telemundo HD 31 is included in their locals as well as the local orlando cable companies.

    So I just wanted to know if any of the test experts seen or heard anything in regards to Telemundo being added to Directv's Orlando local line up?....Thanks
     
  16. Aug 24, 2013 #196 of 2016
    Gary Toma

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    John,

    You can keep an eye on the 'Hybrid' tab for LIL Test channels. But: there are no Telemundo channels for Orlando currently in Test status.

    We have a number of really good experts at dbstalk, but none will offer you a very good crystal ball to tell what directions that Directv Marketing is taking. For real "Inside Information", I would suggest you get to know the folks at your local WTMO Telemundo affiliate. You may be soon sharing the 'inside word' with the rest of us!
     
  17. Aug 24, 2013 #197 of 2016
    JohnBoy

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    Thanks for the heads up.

    I just e-mailed zgsgroup owners of Telemundo Orlando and I also e-mailed Eileen F from Directv for any information that they can provide.
     
  18. Aug 24, 2013 #198 of 2016
    Gary Toma

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    KyL,

    My un-researched answer is that I don't believe the requested sub-channel information is included as a part of the channel records. In the case of the OTA records, the sub-channels are provided, but that is only for OTA. In the case of LIL records there is some clarity; for the Anchorage (Market #8) for example, channel names are KYES, KYESDT3 and KYESDT4. I fear that convention is not consistently followed.

    If you will give me a few examples of channels where this additional sub-channel information would be of value, I will be happy to do some more investigation, to ascertain if this information is provided.

    One last resort: Because the TPN Map is not a protected document, any user could create a custom Map with a complete sub-channel information column added. The problem with this approach is that it would require ongoing disciplined maintenance and will suffer from the inaccuracies of human editing.
     
  19. Aug 24, 2013 #199 of 2016
    KyL416

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    The ESPN Alternates, MLB Network Alternate, NBC Sports Network Alternate and the Big Ten Alternates now use subchannels and most of the part time HD channels like Fox Soccer Plus, FS Oklahoma, FS New Orleans, FS Detroit Plus have had them for a long time. In addition to just for basic reference, it would be a good indicator to see if any part time HD channels are going full time or if a future HD addition will be part time. Like when FS San Diego went 24/7 it first appeared in test mode without the subchannel.

    I'm not sure what you use to grab the channel list, but if it's anything like the responses when you use the SHEF commands, the subchannel number is listed seperately. Channels without subchannels have FFFF (65535) while those that do have the number.

    i.e. using /serial/processCommand?cmd=FA87 or the first 8 characters using FA83
    ESPN2 209: 00D1FFFF -> 209-65535
    ESPN Alt 209-1: 00D10001 -> 209-1
    ESPN2 Alt 209-2: 00D10002 -> 209-2
    MLB Network 213: 00D5FFFF -> 213-65535
    MLB Network Alternate 213-1: 00D50001 -> 213-1

    If you can spot a field or a block of characters with similar data (mostly FFFF, but the occasional 0001, 0002 and whenever the Big Ten Alternates go live 0003 and 0004) maybe you can modify the process to include it in a new column.
     
  20. Aug 25, 2013 #200 of 2016
    Gary Toma

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    KyL,

    Here is where we are so far:

    Those alternate channels do show up in the Guide - as channel "209-1" for example, although it provides "To Be Announced" as the only forthcoming program at this moment in time.

    But it seems that at the time of day that we are capturing the data records (very early Wednesday mornings), these alt channels are asleep and off the air. They DO show up in our data, but as "ESNaHD" type channel names, and without the -1 or -2 shown as part of the name (although the "Alt-1" or "Alt-2" does show up in the Notes0 field). What happens, I believe: when the records are collected, they are Offline/Inactive - with VPID 1700 (Ka) or VPID 03AC (Ku). The software sees these not-in-service channels and salts them away on the Hybrid tab. We have not missed these channels - they are all there, but on the Hybrids tab.

    I currently blank out the Sat and TPN info for these Offline/Inactive channels when they are poked onto the Hybrid tab. The reason: these Inactive channels are 'parked' - on D10/TPN9, for instance, for all the Ka Inactives.

    Using the SHEF IP Interface commands, 209-1 validates as a VPID 1700, Offline Inactive channel.

    Our next endeavor will be to capture the data when we know there are alternate channels alive. That should provide the kind of information you are hoping to see.

    But remember: we are limited because the TPN Map is just a snapshot of a moment in time. You many periodically see alternate channels in the CONUS Map, but only if they happen to be alive when the snapshot is taken.

    There is more homework to be done.

    :)
     

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