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Transponder Maps: Domestic, LatinAm and SkyMex New Data 12/19/2012

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Tips and Resources' started by Gary Toma, Jul 5, 2012.

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  1. Sep 8, 2012 #181 of 418
    hidefman

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    good one!
     
  2. Sep 8, 2012 #182 of 418
    P Smith

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    Anyway, you got that good SS reading during watching a program on tp3 without an issue.
    You should trust your instincts ;).
     
  3. Sep 8, 2012 #183 of 418
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    Here ya go (values in decimal):

    [TABLE]Channel|Net #|TID|Signal Strength|Station
    2|14|188|95|KATU (ABC)
    6|14|188|96|KOIN (CBS)
    8|14|188|96|KGW (NBC)
    10|14|188|95|KOPB (PBS)
    12|14|188|96|KPTV (FOX)
    22|14|188|96|KPXG (ION)
    32|14|188|95|KRCW (CW)
    47|14|188|95|KUNP (Univision)
    49|14|188|96|KPDX (MNT)[/TABLE]
     
  4. Sep 8, 2012 #184 of 418
    P Smith

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    Without VPIDs we can't say is there really 9 channels or some mirrors.
     
  5. Sep 8, 2012 #185 of 418
    Go Beavs

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    Here it is with the Video PIDs:

    [TABLE]Channel|Net #|VPID|TID|Signal Strength|Station
    2|14|1010|188|95|KATU (ABC)
    6|14|1020|188|96|KOIN (CBS)
    8|14|1030|188|96|KGW (NBC)
    10|14|1050|188|95|KOPB (PBS)
    12|14|1040|188|96|KPTV (FOX)
    22|14|1070|188|96|KPXG (ION)
    32|14|1060|188|95|KRCW (CW)
    47|14|1090|188|95|KUNP (Univision)
    49|14|1080|188|96|KPDX (MNT)[/TABLE]
     
  6. Sep 8, 2012 #186 of 418
    P Smith

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    It would be interesting to see bit rate of each channel, but ... if FW would allow to get out such info...perhaps in debug mode.
     
  7. Sep 8, 2012 #187 of 418
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    Why is KUMP in red?
    Is it an MPEG-4 SD local?

    I remember Harsh earlier mentioning that from an "OTA perspective" KUMP was SD, but that doesn't mean it can't have a separate HD fiber or microwave feed to DIRECTV.

    Infomercial laden local station KJLA-57 is that way here in the LA market. SD off-air, but 720p HD on DIRECTV.
     
  8. Sep 8, 2012 #188 of 418
    HoTat2

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    To note:

    While academic now P. Smith since Go Beavs already posted the VPIDs, I still think since they all have the same TID number, even if some were virtual mirrors from other markets, it would still amount to 9 channels on that specific transponder.

    But anyway, all virtual mirrors for the Portland, Ore. market have TIDs 172 or 180. 188 only carries native locals.
     
  9. Sep 8, 2012 #189 of 418
    P Smith

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    In my context 'mirror' is a different channel on same tpn with the same video PID as other(s).

    I'm not agree the "academic" point - it's practical point. What has high value.
    You can't properly count channels without knowing VPIDs.
     
  10. Sep 8, 2012 #190 of 418
    James Long

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    Any evidence of the uniqueness of the actual video/audio of each channel should be sufficient. Being able to select nine distinct channels that do not share video is a fairly good proof without getting into the VPIDs.

    VPIDs are good when there is confusion (such as PPV channels sharing transponders with part time RSNs and sports package feeds ... seeing the VPID shows what channels are sharing the same feed without trying to match up EPG data). But the data above showed uniqueness before the VPID was added.
     
  11. Sep 8, 2012 #191 of 418
    P Smith

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    Knowing VPID is not something out of ordinary while parsing the bits - it's clearly here; adding these values to the table is really nothing no concern and bring a discussion and really do cut any doubt of mirroring.

    I don't get the point of such defending. Especially from a person who do the parsing for competitor's system tables. And who stated above its value. Sounds as self-contradiction.
     
  12. Sep 8, 2012 #192 of 418
    James Long

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    I just don't see the point in requiring VPIDs as the ONLY proof that channels are not virtuals or mirrors. And yes, my work with the other system where I don't see VPIDs in the live 24/7 scanning informs that opinion.

    As I stated ... "Any evidence of the uniqueness of the actual video/audio of each channel should be sufficient."
     
  13. Sep 8, 2012 #193 of 418
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    For any given Network ID (like Net 14 or 103(s) in the case of Portland, Ore.) do you know of any instances where a transponder with the same TID carries any channels sharing the same VPIDs?
     
  14. Sep 8, 2012 #194 of 418
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    Here's the thing though...

    Your picture quality should be perfect if you get a solid signal. The only thing that low a signal would do is to cause you to lose signal in the rain faster than a signal of... say, 96.

    I have always wondered if that was the case with my locals back when they were on another transponder...

    Thanks!

    Signal strengths are about the same as well, so that supports things as well...

    After I posted my signals the other day, I went back and went through ALL my locals and added their information to my post. All of mine had a TID of 35 except for the "Virtual Channel."

    ~Alan
     
  15. Sep 8, 2012 #195 of 418
    P Smith

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    It's dynamic process; if you willing monitor all system tables on each real transponder (only that way you can get VPIDs) you will know for sure.
    I'm telling about technical possible status. Based on my own previous experiences.

    It's would be same answer as to hear "show me red convertible Mustang 1954 with white wall tiers" while driving on 101.

    Did I ask to post something extraordinary ? The VPID value is in same hex string where you/others got ch#, TID, net , etc !
     
  16. Sep 8, 2012 #196 of 418
    Gary Toma

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    I think you are all in violent agreement.

    If you go back to post 105 in this thread, note that one example given was line 75 of the stroke table, where Virtual TPN 21 has TID 164 providing what appears to be 12 channels, but utilizing only 6 VPIDs. Now jump to the other Excel 'tab', the LIL TPN Map, and note lines 296 to 307. Even if there were no VPIDs, the station names and channel numbers still make the mirroring obvious.
     
  17. Sep 9, 2012 #197 of 418
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    Where do you see it in red?

    Anyway, I checked on KUNP and there are several programs listed in the guide as being in 'HD'. I viewed some of those shows and they were in HD (1080i).

    Channel 22 KXPG (ION) has no shows listed as 'HD' in the guide but is displayed in 720p and (to me) looks like HD.
     
  18. Gary Toma

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    No significant changes.

    Both
    Market 15, Bangor, ME, and
    Market 71, Ft. Wayne, IN,
    have duplicate *TEST channels with a new set of different TIDs. This is a new wrinkle...
     
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    I am certain you are correct that you can no longer receive these channels. Your post and your accuracy are not a question. However, the Directv data still shows these records as alive - that is, not as 'Inactive' channels. One of our most basic charges is to provide this data to you without manipulation on our part. What 'is', is what it 'is'; even if we don't understand it at the time. :)

    If you have any insight as to what these changes are reflecting, please share that and educate us all.
     
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