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Trust me!

Discussion in 'The OT' started by jonstad, Feb 28, 2006.

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  1. billpa

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    First of all, I'm not liberal (although I take liberal positions on some issues, many of which come up for discussion here quite a bit)...
    Secondly, I'm not looking to be "spoon-fed"; I'm quite capable of doing my own research, but poll after poll has shown that Bush has had low numbers throughout much of his second term and especially after Katrina. I even note the vice president is below the 20 percent approval mark at the moment.
    Also, CBS/NY Times polls are widely recognized as being scientific...so, my point to you is, if you're going to make an accusation have something to back it up. YOU are the one making an allegation that CBS is feeding its veiwers bad information on this poll, YOU should be the one to show some evidence.
     
  2. juan ellitinez

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    Every lame duck President's poll #'s dip.. Mainly because he does not have to campaign any more. p.s here's your evidence on the slanted poll!! http://newsbusters.org/node/4211 ** it has a link to the entire CBS Poll so ****Geronimo**** you can draw your own conclusions from that data
     
  3. billpa

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    Yeah, but these Bush numbers are a bit much...
    Here's some Clinton data, since people here seem to like to go back to that presidency so often:


    http://www.pollingreport.com/clinton-.htm
     
  4. Geronimo

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    That is similar to the article I linked to. The only real difference is that your article does not tell us what would happen to the numbers if things were reweighted. It does create a change in the numbers (38% approval vice 34%). So you asked me to draw a conclusion. My conclusion is that his approval rating is in the mid 30s (maybe up to 40% if you look at the other polls I listed) and that it is similar (within the margin of error) of where it was in the aftermath of Katrina. And,as I said above, a decline in the numbers at this time would be natural given the controversy over the ports deal.
     
  5. Geronimo

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    Thanks for that data. Does anyone have data on other recent presidents? It would be useful to put it in context.
     
  6. billpa

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  7. jonstad

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    This was a post of frustration building over the last five years. And frustration that reaches "across the aisle". Democrats who sheepishly capitulated to the Patriot act and authorization for the Iraq War are no higher in my esteem, maybe less. They should have, and I suspect some did know better!

    And "trust me" is not a new political ploy. "I did NOT have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky!" "Read my lips, no new taxes!" and "I did not trade armes for hostages!" are just a few of the more recent historical examples of the "trust me" strategy.

    However, I can't recall any other historical instance where "trust me" has been used so extensively, or to such great effect, as by the current administration, especially in the face of such overwhelming contradictory evidence.

    I didn't vote for Al Gore. But it should come as no surprise I was disappointed that he "lost". My attitude towards Bush was one of resignation, but not apprehension particularly. Normally Presidents can nudge the country slightly one way or the other, but usually cannot derail the nation and send it off on an entirely different track. But as we are wont to say, "9/11 changed everything!"

    Now, to be honest, despite my lack of confidence in his abilities, initially at least I desperately hoped Bush would rise to the occasion and lead US to do the right thing. But donning a fireman's hat and cheerleading on a pile of rubble was not the clincher for me that it apparently was for many others.

    When I first spoke with my wife on that fateful day(I was on Oahu), she asked me what I thought would happen. I said someone would pay for the attack and if we couldn't find who was responsible, someone else would be made to pay. I don't believe my words could have been more prophetic.

    I was not too upset about Afganistan. The Taliban was already high on my list of regimes the planet could do without, and it was fairly clear bin Laden was in country. But our failure to get bin Laden in a nation defended seemingly mostly by Toyota pick-up trucks should have been the first clue this "trust me" thing wasn't going to work out as advertised. Subsequent events have done nothing to change my perception.

    Back to my frustration. Despite the litany of gaffes, blunders, mistakes, misdirections, etc. that are now the hallmark of this administration, apparently "trust me" is still good enough for 35-40% of the population.

    The emperor has no clothes people! And apparently he never has! It's time to stop "trusting" that he has!
     
  8. Danny R

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    I don't believe my words could have been more prophetic.

    Just think... perhaps a thousand years from now people will be rioting when the Danes make a cartoon of you! ;)
     
  9. bulldog200024

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    Trust Me I did not have sexual relations with that woman

    Trust Me I invented the internet

    Trust Me I voted for the 87 billion, after I voted against it

    Trust Me I rated out the military

    Trust Me I didnt leave that woman dead in my car

    Trust Me The only time republicans can get this many black people in a room is when it is the help! (Thats a personal favortie of mine from the genious that is Howard Dean)
     
  10. Bogy

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    He voted for it, THEN he voted against it. AFTER a bunch of pork was added, and no way to pay for it.
     
  11. bulldog200024

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    I stand corrected. (Interestingly enough, something that I wish I heard more often)
     
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