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Two big bugs involving MRV

Discussion in 'DIRECTV HD DVR/Receiver Discussion' started by t_h, Jun 4, 2010.

  1. Jun 6, 2010 #41 of 103
    RunnerFL

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    Get a really big external drive, hook it up to the DVR and then not worry about space. You can then tell your SL's to keep all recordings until you delete.
     
  2. Jun 6, 2010 #42 of 103
    RunnerFL

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    If you have the SL set to "Keep at most 5" and it deletes the oldest episode when #6 starts recording it's doing exactly what you are telling it to.
     
  3. Jun 6, 2010 #43 of 103
    Rich

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    Not always true. Several times I have recorded programs and told the HR to keep 10 until I delete them and it has kept as many as 12. On various HRs, so I know it's not the HR.
     
  4. Jun 6, 2010 #44 of 103
    RunnerFL

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    That's not correct. When you tell it to keep at most 5 and keep until I delete it will only keep 5, never any more than that because you set the limit to 5. The keep until I delete applies to your 5. It will keep those 5 until you delete them instead of deleting one of the 5 to make room for a recording from another SL.

    Think of the "Keep at most" number as applying to the SL itself and the "Keep until" only coming into play with another SL would affect recordings within the SL you are configuring.

    It's pretty simple... If you tell it to keep only 5, it will keep only 5. There's no artificial intelligence in the unit that will have it thinking "well maybe he really wants 10".
     
  5. Jun 6, 2010 #45 of 103
    Rich

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    That's not what he's talking about. He's saying that if you tell the HR to "Keep until I delete" 5 programs it should keep those 5 programs until you tell it to delete them. This is not a new argument. Read Steve's post.
     
  6. Jun 6, 2010 #46 of 103
    RunnerFL

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    But it's not deleting the recording to make space. It's deleting the recording because it would be more recordings than you're telling it to keep!

    Space has nothing to do with the "Keep at most" option at all.
     
  7. Jun 6, 2010 #47 of 103
    sigma1914

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    :lol: Both sides of this argument are right.
     
  8. Jun 6, 2010 #48 of 103
    RunnerFL

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    I've never had a unit keep more than the number of episodes I've told it to keep, ever.
     
  9. Jun 6, 2010 #49 of 103
    RunnerFL

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    No, that's not what he's saying. He's saying if he sets his SL to keep at most 5 and keep until I delete it should keep a 6th, 7th, 8th, etc episode since he still has the space.
     
  10. Jun 6, 2010 #50 of 103
    Steve

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    I have, but intentionally.

    When you "keep" a recording by hitting BLUE from the PLAYLIST, it will never be deleted, under any circumstances, and it no longer counts against the KAM limit. It can become the 6th, 7th, etc. episode in a "KAM 5" folder, depending on how many other recordings have been flagged via the BLUE button. The HR continues to manage the unflagged recordings in that folder based on the limit settings.
     
  11. Jun 6, 2010 #51 of 103
    RunnerFL

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    Very interesting, I'll have to try that out. So the blue button keep until I delete is not the same as the SL setup's keep until I delete?
     
  12. Jun 6, 2010 #52 of 103
    Rich

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    Here's what he said:

    Is that really so hard to understand?
     
  13. Jun 6, 2010 #53 of 103
    Steve

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    Correct. It does exactly what you think it will. Keep until you delete it.

    That's why the language in the SL setup dialog should be changed to more accurately reflect what that "keep" setting does ("Keep until KAM limit reached"), as opposed to BLUE, which does what it says.

    Also, the two different "keeps" should be flagged with different icons, IMO, so you know if it's an SL "keep" vs. a BLUE "keep".
     
  14. Jun 6, 2010 #54 of 103
    dbronstein

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    But you've also told it to record the next episode, so you've given it conflicting instructions. Per Steve's and other posts, there needs to be an option to allow the user to choose how the conflict is resolved.
     
  15. Jun 6, 2010 #55 of 103
    Steve

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    Since we're on a new page in this thread, I'll re-post our current long-standing Wish List request:
     
  16. Jun 6, 2010 #56 of 103
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    Logically, if you set it to keep five programs and they are all tagged "Keep until I delete" you should not be able to add any more programs to that folder until YOU delete one. What happens if you have a program set for eight o'clock and two shows with higher priorities are also set for eight o'clock? Just because you think it's gonna record, that doesn't mean it is gonna record. This isn't semantics as much as a poor choice of words that don't really mean what they say...just looked up "semantics" and there are so many definitions I suppose one could fit and it might be a matter of semantics, but still. This is really simple to understand. "Keep until I delete" should mean just that. Steve's right and there should either be a different way of saying it so that it agrees with what the HR is gonna do or it should follow the order as given.

    That's what we've been saying for years. :)

    Rich
     
  17. Jun 6, 2010 #57 of 103
    Steve

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    To give credit where credit is due, IIRC, the "When Limit reached" addition to our SL Wish List request was originally proposed by Earl back in August of 2007.
     
  18. Jun 6, 2010 #58 of 103
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    If I tell it to "keep at most" 5, it better only keep 5, as I specified, absolutely do not want the Playlist cluttered up with anything more then the "at most" that I specified.

    The "keep until I delete" is lower on the options screen, and only comes into play when the DVR is at maximum capacity, and the DVR needs to find something to delete.

    I guess there may be other ways to design a DVR, but this approach has always seemed very logical.

    Regular weekly network series, where I want to watch every show, are set to ALL, and casual daily series like Leno/Letterman/News are set to "at most #" to always have some selection, but no PlayList clutter.
     
  19. Jun 6, 2010 #59 of 103
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    DING! DING! DING! We have a winner. Wow is this information important. If people only used this method to KUID the arguments/confusion in this thread would be solved. :goodjob:
    I'm with you but I think that is a nuance the average user would never understand. The results of setting a show KUID should be the same no matter where it is initiated from. My 02c. EDIT: +1 on the wishlist.
     
  20. Jun 6, 2010 #60 of 103
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    Yeah, This seems to me to be so simple and straight forward but my logic is pretty linear and many times I have to check myself to see the other side clearly.:lol: I tell you though, Steve's info on the blue button KUID is a real eye opener for me. It solves/corrects all my issues. I guess I can cross this off my bucket list.;)
     

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