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UHD (4K)

Discussion in 'DISH™ High Definition Discussion' started by georgewells, May 15, 2015.

  1. georgewells

    georgewells AllStar

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    Anything I should know as to how my new 4K UHD will perform on my dish account ?? -- I assume everything will works as it does now with my present TV

    Thanks -- George
     
  2. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    No different from any other modern TV.

    DISH doesn't currently offer UHD content.
     
  3. BillJ

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    I believe I read that Dish has plans for UHD in the next year or two but no details. Probably will begin with on-demand movies. Comcast and others are talking about rolling out UHD so Dish will have to do it to stay competitive. I bought a UHD TV earlier this year and it works fine with Dish or any other program source.
     
  4. James Long

    James Long Ready for Uplink! Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    DISH's plan is to release a 4K Joey to work with the Hopper system. If all goes well they will at least have a path to get 4K to a TV. If DISH follows what they have done for 1080p and 3D, they will start with VOD and see how the market moves. Currently DISH offers 1080p and 3D through VOD (predownloaded via satellite or requested via the Internet).
     
  5. georgewells

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    Thanks for all the replies and info -- George
     
  6. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    While they haven't spoken to the content issue, they've been more forthcoming with the hardware:

    http://www.dish.com/technology/4k-joey/
     
  7. Wilf

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    I suspect that Dish and others will wait until the new UHD standards are in place. Scott Wilkinson of AVS forums has high praise for the high dynamic range and improved color gamut that the standards will bring - more so than the increased number of pixels.
     
  8. georgewells

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    Harsh - I read your reply about the 4K Joey - Are they doing anything about the Hopper/Sling since that is what my 4K TV will use not the Joey ?
    Thanks
     
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  9. harsh

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    There doesn't seem to be any indication at this time. The heads up usually comes in the form of a new FCC device ID.
     
  10. Jhon69

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    The new 4K UHDTV's also upconverts all signals to 4K.
     
  11. harsh

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    That's not really a fair assessment. They UHD TVs render the incoming image to a 4K display but they certainly don't make it look like a UHD source.
     
  12. patmurphey

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    Not the same as native 4k, but the picture is upconverted with smoothing and interpolation algorithms creating a better viewing experience with Dish's 1080i output.
     
  13. P Smith

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    do you believe in AI of the "smoothing and interpolation" in TV's FW? Or stay on realistic opininion - the robot cannot make better every very different kind of pictures, talking heads perhaps... imagine a picture of tropical forest with many tiny items, panning and a lot of flying colorful birds, at ground level - a cople dosen chimpanzee jumping on braches...or a blast of high rise in a thriller with thousands pieces crossing sky... you should know variety of pictures... it's impossible create SW algos to process HD to 4k as you wish.
     
  14. inkahauts

    inkahauts Well-Known Member

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    Did you forget what up converting means?
     
  15. Stewart Vernon

    Stewart Vernon Roving Reporter Staff Member Super Moderator DBSTalk Club

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    Up-converting might be fancily-named and have a lot of coding behind it... but at the end of the day, it's a computer attempting to "guess" based on an algorithm what pixels might be there IF that was the native resolution. Up-converting can't find info that isn't there.

    Up-converting really exists to be something a tad smarter than just using pixel-doubling to fill the higher-resolution screen and in lieu of displaying native resolution and using half the screen... which would be the other alternatives.

    I am actually with P Smith on this one. Up-converting is a necessary "evil" of sorts so that lower resolutions can be viewed on a higher-resolution screen but it doesn't add any meaningful resolution, because it can't.
     
  16. harsh

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    Not at all, but I would argue that upconverting is only part of what happens.

    We know what simple upconverting looks like with low resolution SD converted to HD and how its quality can vary widely from one model TV (or STB) to the next. Some TVs do little more than pixel doubling while others put a great deal of effort into full-on image processing with motion compensation and edge detection. Unfortunately that assumes that the TV is doing all of the conversion. If an STB is involved, a good portion of the cues used may be destroyed before the TV gets to employ them.
     
  17. Jhon69

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    Let me correct my statement.I recommend checking the Best Buy website concerning 4K UHDTVs,they have stated they will only sell 4K UHDTVs that have an upconverting ability that they require/approve otherwise Best Buy will not sell them.
     
  18. inkahauts

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    That's hilarious. And total bs if that's what they say. Do you have a link? The reality is all these displays are fixed pixel displays anymore. Which means all signals have to be converted and scaled to 4k on a 4k TV. It's not something they can just not do.
     
  19. BillJ

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    When I was researching my 4K purchase in December I asked several manufacturers about upconverting. All stated that they do not necessarily upconvert to 4K but do improve picture quality as much as possible. IOW, you might go from 480p or 720p to 1080p quality but don't expect 4K quality. Also, some only upconverted from the HDMI inputs.
     
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