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Upgrade to MRV/DECA

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Connected Home' started by bigwad, May 14, 2010.

  1. bigwad

    bigwad Godfather

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    I know this question has been answered, probably many times here. But with the Ethernet connections, etc, I'm confused as hell. So if this question is redundant, I apologize.

    I have 2 HR20's and an older SD DVR. I have a bigger dish, but it has the sidecar LNB's and I get some pixelating and audio loss occasionally. My neighbor has a newer dish and according to the guy installing it, the sidecar LNB's are my problem.

    I want to add another HD DVR and an HD receiver to use thru 4 rooms using the 2 existing HR20's I already have. If I upgrade to the MRV:

    1. Will I get the HR24, or will I get whatever they have available on the truck? I haven't yet been able to figure out thru reading whether the HR24 is required or not. I'm thinking it is not a requirement, leaving me at their mercy.

    2. Will I be able to get, by request or not, an upgrade on the sidecar dish I have?

    3. Will they install a new switch? I'm not sure which I currently have, so this may be a dumb question. :)

    Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated or just a point to a current post that can answer my questions. Thanks
     
  2. Stuart Sweet

    Stuart Sweet The Shadow Knows!

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    I'm moving this to the connected home forum. There are a lot of helpful threads there.
     
  3. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

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    1. the odds are better that you'll get a HR24, but they're not 100%
    2. the sidecar will get replaced with a slimline & SWiM
    3. If you have more than eight tuners, then the SWiM LNB wouldn't be used and a "switch" would be.
     
  4. harsh

    harsh Beware the Attack Basset

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    Aren't the odds somewhere in the <70% range?
     
  5. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

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    Pulling more "data" out of your rear end again?
    I'm not going to post internal information on this here, but the 24s are earmarked for DECA/MRV installs/upgrades.
    If the installer's stock is short, then this won't be 100%.
     
  6. hasan

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    If I put an SWM system in, can I retain my home network based MRV system, and not use the DECA based MRV system?

    I ask this because I have two separate dishes. I need one more tuner for the "main" system, and want to upgrade it to SWM. I want to leave the other dish and system "alone". Because I'm using wired/wireless home networking very successfully for MRV now, I don't want to complicate issues ....like trying to link two different dishes onto a single DECA based system.

    I don't want to break what's already working perfectly. All I want is to have is the dish replaced (for SWM) on the main system and SWM implemented for 2 HD DVRs and 1 HD receiver on that system.

    The topography looks like this:

    Main System: (Home Theater Room)

    AT9 Dish
    HR20-700 hardwired to router/switch (right next to the HR21-200 below)
    HR21-200 hardwired to router/switch
    H21-200 wireless N to router/switch 30' away

    Secondary System: (North End of House Room)

    Slimline Dish
    HR20-100 wireless N to router/switch 80' away


    The above two systems are linked (obviously) via wireless, so I have full MRV functionality between the two systems, even though they are on two different dishes. I don't think this can easily be done if I went to DECA and SWM on both systems.

    So, the basic question is:

    Can I leave the Secondary System as it is, leave the Main System as it is (i.e., home networking), but change the Main System to use SWM, so I have enough tuners? Are SWM and DECA linkage a requirement with an SWM upgrade, or is DECA just an add-on that I could forgo and continue to use my own fully functioning in-home network?

    I know I could put a multi-switch on the main system to get more tuners, but that would require pulling another line through the walls, which could be completely avoided by going SWM.
     
  7. veryoldschool

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    DECA needs SWM, but SWM doesn't need DECA, so unsupported MRV is still an option.
     
  8. hasan

    hasan New Member

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    Way cool! So there is no reason not to go ahead with my preferred plan, or do you see a fly in the ointment that I'm not considering?
     
  9. veryoldschool

    veryoldschool Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

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    Wireless networking, but knowing you that isn't your problem. :lol:
     
  10. bigwad

    bigwad Godfather

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    Thanks all, I'm making the call this afternoon!
     
  11. Beerstalker

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    Why are you using 2 different dishes? You don't have more than 8 tuners so your setup really would be a lot simpler if you just changed to SWM and DECA running off one dish for all of your equipment.

    Even if you had more than 8 tuners they could just set you up with a SWM16 and you could still use SWM and DECA off one dish.
     
  12. Doug Brott

    Doug Brott Lifetime Achiever DBSTalk Club

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    From the empirical data (and what I know) I'd say the odds are greater than 70% (but are not 100%) that a connected home system will receive an H24 or HR24 as a new receiver.
     
  13. rjdude

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    In the DECA cloud, I know the band stop filter is placed between the SWM and the first splitter; do you need DECA or filters for any NON-DECA receivers (e.g. H20)? I have two older H20's that don't support DECA (no ethernet ports). Do I have to worry about these within the cloud?
     
  14. veryoldschool

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    Bandstop filters are needed.
    Receivers with DECA block the signal from reaching the SAT tuner. Any receiver without DECA needs a blocking filter to do the same.
     
  15. waylonrobert

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    Pretty sure those receivers will need to be upgraded if you want them to be used for MRV, as DECA still requires an ethernet port.
     
  16. uncouth

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    Have a related question, mainly: I have an older HR20-100 and a DECA upgrade scheduled. I've been hearing there's a lot of issues with the HR20 and DECA. Is it likely the receiver will be swapped out? Should I ask or insist on it if not?

    On one hand, wife doesn't want to lose recordings.
    On the other, I don't want MRV issues...
     
  17. veryoldschool

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    This is true to have them "work" with MRV & would be swapped for H21/23/24s as part of the DECA/MRV upgrade package.
    If the customer doesn't want MRV to these receivers, then a bandstop filter can be used and the H20s will work fine on the SWM system.
     
  18. veryoldschool

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    "Insist" isn't an option.
    I can't say "most" have problems that can't be resolved. "Some" have had problems, but this would be dealt with on a case by case basis.
     
  19. uncouth

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    Thanks for the quick reply. I suppose I'll see how it goes down tomorrow. Having it swapped out would likely land me on the couch for a night or two anyhow. :p Too many shows on that box.
     
  20. rjdude

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    Thanks... I must have looked at the Multi-Room Viewing Receiver Compatibility list many times (as well all of the other DECA related information) and I can now see the answer was right there all along.
     

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