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Using old co-ax for new install

Discussion in 'DIRECTV Installation/MDU Discussion' started by glasspilot, Apr 5, 2011.

  1. Apr 5, 2011 #1 of 22
    glasspilot

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    To All:

    I am getting Direct TV installed Thurs. I did have a Dish 625 dual tuner DVR. The Dish 500 antenna had 2 cables off of 2 LNB's. They went into a splitter (combiner?) and just one RG6 went into my house. Just before the DVR it goes into another splitter and 2 short RG6's went into 2 separate input's that went into the box.

    Will the installer be able to use the existing cables to install the Direct DVR?
     
  2. Apr 5, 2011 #2 of 22
    spartanstew

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    Sure, but he won't need the splitter and the two short pieces.
     
  3. Apr 6, 2011 #3 of 22
    glasspilot

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    Thanks Spartan!

    I guess I was assuming something. My Dish 625 was a dual tuner. So I could be recording one channel and I could watch another.

    Is the Direct DVR only one tuner or is it designed differently to only need one co-ax input?
     
  4. Apr 6, 2011 #4 of 22
    spartanstew

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    It's dual tuner, but new installs come with what's called SWiM technology, either via the dish itself or a multi-switch. It allows the DVR's to utilize two tuners with just one coax connection.
     
  5. Apr 6, 2011 #5 of 22
    glasspilot

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    Thanks Spartan, hopefully that will make for an easy install.
     
  6. Apr 6, 2011 #6 of 22
    joe diamond

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    It will be fine. The tech will replace the splitters with barrel connectors or rerun the lines. DISH uses solid copper coax. DISH to Direct change overs are ez

    A thing to watch is the replacement of the dish. If the tech can use the existing 2" mast from DISH (don't remember what a 500 uses) that is better than putting up another Directv supplied mast. You want to minimize the number of holes in your building and make sure any old ones get caulked.

    Clear access to the TV areas so he can swap out the boxes and connect your gear.

    Joe
     
  7. Apr 7, 2011 #7 of 22
    BattleZone

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    Actually, both companies have different standards:

    Dish = 1 5/8" OD masts, copper-clad steel RG6 cable.

    DirecTV = 2" OD masts, solid-copper RG6 cable.


    And even though DirecTV's solid copper cable is superior, Dish will fail any job using "DirecTV" or "PerfectVision"-marked cable, as they require all supplies come from their "approved materials" list (as does DirecTV), and PV cable is specifically excluded, and they train their QC staff to look for it. :mad: :nono2:
     
  8. Apr 7, 2011 #8 of 22
    Jodean

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    hmm depends where you are i guess, Sioux City had all super dish installs there, all 2" masts and directv dishes slide right on. No idea if that fails QC or not, the super dish braces are kinda hokey though, directs are way better.

    I have ran into a bunch of dish net with solid copper though, the ones that were copper clad were missing parts of the conductor on all exterior runs at the cable ends, most of these lasted almost 10 years before they deteriorated.
     
  9. Apr 7, 2011 #9 of 22
    glasspilot

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    Yah, I'm hoping the D* guy can use my mast from the Dish 500 dish.

    Next question: There is a house to my south. When the E* guys installed 2 1/2 years ago they were able to mount the dish on my back deck and just "clip" (my just made up term) the roof and get a signal. They couldn't mount it on my front deck as there's a tree in the way.

    I know the D* sat is a different position from the E*; will they have problems getting the antenna aimed?
     
  10. BattleZone

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    SuperDishes were a fairly rare exception, and the SuperDish was discontinued over 5 years ago, at which time Dish standardized all of their dishes to the 1 5/8" mast. In most areas, encountering a SuperDish is a rare exception today.


    DirecTV standardized all dishes on 2" OD masts in the middle of last year. Prior to that, 18" and Triple-Sat dishes were 1 5/8", International was 1 3/4", and Ka/Ku was 2".
     
  11. harsh

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    The Dish mast isn't sturdy enough (or large enough diameter) to support a Slimline dish. The Slimline is fully 12.5" wider than the Dish 500. I cannot recommend using a sleeve in a high wind area. Additionally, they will need to run a couple of "monopoles" (required for all Slimline installations) adding a few more holes.
    The DIRECTV satellites (8 satellites occupying 3 slots) are higher in your sky than the DISH satellites that you're aimed at. The new DISH satellites are higher yet.
     
  12. matt

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    So there are phase III dishes out there with 2" backs?
     
  13. joe diamond

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    BZ,

    I was aware of a little of this. I have found..I am pretty sure..some DISH dishes with 2"masts. I have used the Phase III dishes to match up to to the DISH SD installations...real quick.

    What really gets me is, as you correctly state, the QC folks look for approved manufacturers instead of publishing a specification for all suppliers to submit samples etc.

    It is as if equal opportunity = discovering which friends and relatives fit the job requirements and then letting only them compete for the position.

    Joe
     
  14. harsh

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    Is DIRECTV installing Phase III dishes anymore?
     
  15. BattleZone

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    Yes, they are. Many smaller DMAs (Monterey/Santa Cruz and Fresno/Bakersfield, in my area) require 119 for SD locals, and about half of the Latino channels also come from 119, as well as the Chinese "Jade World" package. Customers who aren't getting HD and need 119 get a Phase III on a 2" mast.
     
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    Yup,

    It has been a while since I saw a Super Dish...didn't know that was the only DISH 2" mast. The Phase III did slide right on the 1 5/8 mast and used the four feeds DISH used to their switch.

    Adapting from 2" down to 1 5/8 can be accomplished with an adapter made for the purpose. IF you don't have that adapter I know you can cut a 2" mast into sections with a bat powered reciprocating hack saw and shim the smaller mast up to accept the 2" dish. Then you really gotta make use of monopoles! Even though they are called Slimlines they are not light and the smaller mast needs help.

    Joe
     
  17. glasspilot

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    Well, the install went well. I only have one SD TV. He was able to use the Dish mast (with a sleeve). It is not a slimline; it's smaller (mini-dish?) with 3 LNB's. They couldn't use just the one cable (like Dish did), this equipment has 2 RG6's from the dish to the DVR. (it wasn't a problem running one more cable.)

    The box is a R16-500. Of course with my E* DVR I could be recording one show and watching another at the same time. Last night I was surfing and started recording. Then I tried to go to another channel and got the warning: "Are you sure you want to cancel the recording". This R16 does have 2 tuners, right? Or what am I doing wrong?
     
  18. harsh

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    It should have worked unless the receiver isn't seeing both connections to the dish.

    I would recommend that you call DIRECTV and make them aware right away. There are some diagnostics and setup tasks that they can guide you through on the phone to identify and/or solve the problem.
     
  19. carl6

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    Yes, the R16 has two tuners. First, make sure both of the coax are connected properly to the back of the DVR, then rerun satellite setup. It should automatically recognize both tuners and work properly after that. If not, and if the installer left his number, contact him and explain your problem. If you don't have his number, call DirecTV and work the problem through them.
     
  20. joe diamond

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    Just pointing out that the current policy with Directv service is that IF...for any reason...the customer calls Directv about the installation...the tech gets back charged.

    Yes, that means that if some chip inside the box fails .....the person who connected the box gets paid less. If that happens on a service call...which pays ****... the tech gets charged more than he would have been paid for the service work.

    Any questions?

    Joe
     

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